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I think Terry's counsel should have used the Chewbacca defence.
John Terry Racism Trial
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I think Terry's counsel should have used the Chewbacca defence.
The solution is for OcUK dons to replace referees, then Terry would literaly have had to say the word "asterisk" eight times, eleven if you include the "ing". That way he could have happily used the extra word "black" and been in no trouble, as there would have been no provable context around the word on which to prosecute. Or Terry could just have said he was speaking to the referee, not Ferdinand. What would have been the legal consequences of that? I bet he's kicking himself for not thinking of that and coming up with the "I was just repeating your honour" defence instead.
He is being charged for a racially-aggravated public order offence, through the use of describing him as 'black' and employing extreme sexual swear words. So I believe he is being charged for more than just the term 'black'. As I said, its the use of the word 'black' that makes it racially loaded in the first place.
The verdict still hasn't even been reached yet.
How can it not be a negative?
If you are another race and you deliberately bring somebody else's race into part of an offensive statement you are being racist. If somebody is a **** they are a ****, but if you stoop to calling them a Black/White/Brown/Yellow/etc **** then it is not a factual statement its being used to cause racial offence.
As I said before, if somebody of another race called me a white ****, I would take that as a racist remark made against me.
Not necessarily, no. How you can't understand that is mind boggling. It's racially offensive but it doesn't automatically make you a racist.
And who has said that the n word is the same as calling somebody short?
Rotty did; would you like me to post a picture of it?
I think that race doesn't come in to an insult unless you have underlying problems with different races.
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Swearing is NOT a public order offence, its an offence if it harrases, alarms or distresses someone. Sorry but hearing a singular swear word, or a string of them doesn't do any of the above.
No one in that stadium was harrased, no one would get alarmed or distressed hearing a swear word in public. If someone was swearing repeatedly at someone in particular and that person felt harrassed it would become a public order offence of the extremely minor, pathetically pedantic kind, when it becomes threatening or really distressing, someone following your child swearing then you move into what the public order offence was actually made for.
Swearing has been and always will be a part of language in the distant past and future this is true, some people like to pretend its not, it is. We see Rooney calling the ref a ******* **** basically every single week, this isn't a once in a lifetime occurrence where people who go to a football game are well and truly shocked to hear a swear word, you can't claim to be harrassed. alarmed or distressed by what is nothing less than bog standard swearing in public.
Nexus, using the word black isn't automatically negative, that is the completely ridiculous, overly PC, insane understanding of racism AND its incorrect and not racist by any definition of racism.
Someone who isn't racist, and uses the word black doesn't automatically make it racist. Someone who is racist CAN use it negatively, that in no way at all makes every single usage of the word negative. The WORST thing we can do to get rid of racism, is make its something its not, make any usage of a whole bunch of words automatically racist in the quest to stamp out racism, because its completely stupid.
Let racism be racism, when John Terry won't talk, won't pass, will kick and try to injur a player on the field, or maybe as a manager refuses to buy black players, that would be racist, that needs to be gotten rid of.
What you want, is a usage of a term, where by Terry treats Rio differently to everyone else, that is not racism, its not getting rid or racism, its nothing, its PC **** where people make up a problem that never existed.
When you arbitrarily give extra meaning to new words, and force your random views on everyone else, you CREATE problems, not fix them.
Do you not see a problem with, 22 guys on the pitch, with anyone not black, you can get angry, or joke around with, with no censorship, no problem, but if that person is black there is a list of things you can't say, a list of things you can't do a way to behave TO APPEAR NOT TO BE RACIST, rather than to just not be racist and treat that player normally?
Society falls down more often than not when it becomes so freaking scared of accidentally APPEARING to be something that they go to the other extreme and start acting completely differently just to not APPEAR whatever that is, in this cast racist.
You can't have a racism free, completely equal society..... when you are being actively told to treat black people differently.
I'd be happy for the league to look into it, there is a rule in football(rightly or wrongly) that a racist statement is worse than others and deserves a ban, though in Terry's case I can't remotely see how what he said qualifies as racist by looking at the definition or racism. A court case in yet another situation where some PC nutter felt obliged to be offended FOR Rio, who didn't hear it and wasn't offended by it himself is INSANE.
No one in that stadium was harrased, no one would get alarmed or distressed hearing a swear word in public. If someone was swearing repeatedly at someone in particular and that person felt harrassed it would become a public order offence of the extremely minor, pathetically pedantic kind, when it becomes threatening or really distressing, someone following your child swearing then you move into what the public order offence was actually made for.
Swearing has been and always will be a part of language in the distant past and future this is true, some people like to pretend its not, it is. We see Rooney calling the ref a ******* **** basically every single week, this isn't a once in a lifetime occurrence where people who go to a football game are well and truly shocked to hear a swear word, you can't claim to be harrassed. alarmed or distressed by what is nothing less than bog standard swearing in public.
Nexus, using the word black isn't automatically negative, that is the completely ridiculous, overly PC, insane understanding of racism AND its incorrect and not racist by any definition of racism.
Someone who isn't racist, and uses the word black doesn't automatically make it racist. Someone who is racist CAN use it negatively, that in no way at all makes every single usage of the word negative. The WORST thing we can do to get rid of racism, is make its something its not, make any usage of a whole bunch of words automatically racist in the quest to stamp out racism, because its completely stupid.
Let racism be racism, when John Terry won't talk, won't pass, will kick and try to injur a player on the field, or maybe as a manager refuses to buy black players, that would be racist, that needs to be gotten rid of.
What you want, is a usage of a term, where by Terry treats Rio differently to everyone else, that is not racism, its not getting rid or racism, its nothing, its PC **** where people make up a problem that never existed.
When you arbitrarily give extra meaning to new words, and force your random views on everyone else, you CREATE problems, not fix them.
Do you not see a problem with, 22 guys on the pitch, with anyone not black, you can get angry, or joke around with, with no censorship, no problem, but if that person is black there is a list of things you can't say, a list of things you can't do a way to behave TO APPEAR NOT TO BE RACIST, rather than to just not be racist and treat that player normally?
Society falls down more often than not when it becomes so freaking scared of accidentally APPEARING to be something that they go to the other extreme and start acting completely differently just to not APPEAR whatever that is, in this cast racist.
You can't have a racism free, completely equal society..... when you are being actively told to treat black people differently.
I'd be happy for the league to look into it, there is a rule in football(rightly or wrongly) that a racist statement is worse than others and deserves a ban, though in Terry's case I can't remotely see how what he said qualifies as racist by looking at the definition or racism. A court case in yet another situation where some PC nutter felt obliged to be offended FOR Rio, who didn't hear it and wasn't offended by it himself is INSANE.
Rotty said that calling somebody a N is the same as calling them short? Or he said calling somebody a black **** is no different to calling them a short ****?
I did not use that word (explicitly or implied) in the comemnt that he has dragged up yet again and taken totally out of context as usual, not to worry it is what I have come to expect from him
Yes you did
You said that calling people the 'n' word was no different to calling them short or bald.
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