it's about time folks understood that, if I was called a white **** it's the **** which would **** me off, I have been insulted on the basis of race before and just laughed at the person for being pathetic, if more did the same we would be better off, if someone gets offended by something then the ignorant will use it more
John Terry Racism Trial
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it's about time folks understood that, if I was called a white **** it's the **** which would **** me off, I have been insulted on the basis of race before and just laughed at the person for being pathetic, if more did the same we would be better off, if someone gets offended by something then the ignorant will use it more
Wrong.
Try reading her own words, and the fact that News of the World and Mail on Sunday lost court cases brought by VP, and had to print retractions and apologies.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/oct/07/newsoftheworld-john-terry
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/22/john-terry-vanessa-perroncel-sex-scandal
Actually - I'll go further. Find one piece of evidence that is not from a red top paper to back up your statement that Veronica Perroncel had an abortion. One piece that is not "sources say", "rumour has it" or a "close friend". One person who stands up with their name and says I know for a fact that Veronica Perroncel aborted John Terry's unborn child for money.
No? Then STFU.
This is why I don't bother with this place anymore.
Waves to JohnnyG.
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yeh. wayne bridge must've made the whole thing up
Oh come on. You can do better than that.
Wayne Bridge had nothing to do with it.
You know for a fact this all happened, and that John Terry paid Veronica Perroncel to have his unborn child aborted. You said so. Allegations proved to be true you said.
Come on - show me where they were proved to be true.
NOTW, MoS - tabloid papers aren't averse to paying people to step forward and reveal the truth about stories, or go through voicemails on phones to back up/corroborate stories. How come they didn't?
Surely you can find something out in the public domain from one source that shows this to be the case.
It's that easy.
Or you can carry on showing yourself up.
Wayne Bridge had nothing to do with it.
You know for a fact this all happened, and that John Terry paid Veronica Perroncel to have his unborn child aborted. You said so. Allegations proved to be true you said.
Come on - show me where they were proved to be true.
NOTW, MoS - tabloid papers aren't averse to paying people to step forward and reveal the truth about stories, or go through voicemails on phones to back up/corroborate stories. How come they didn't?
Surely you can find something out in the public domain from one source that shows this to be the case.
It's that easy.
Or you can carry on showing yourself up.
i'll leave that to you. thanks.
Ah - the old "switcheroo defence".
AKA "I can't back up what I've said, so I'll just ignore you".
Often used by creationists and particularly aggressive religious fundamentalists.
I'm a CFC season ticket holder, and I think John Terry is thick, selfish, and a bit of a knob - as are most footballers.
But once in a while I get bored of seeing "truths" being run out over and over.
So - you made a statement. Back it up.
Should be simple.
AKA "I can't back up what I've said, so I'll just ignore you".
Often used by creationists and particularly aggressive religious fundamentalists.
I'm a CFC season ticket holder, and I think John Terry is thick, selfish, and a bit of a knob - as are most footballers.
But once in a while I get bored of seeing "truths" being run out over and over.
So - you made a statement. Back it up.
Should be simple.
like i said, i'll leave it to you. thanks.
Quick! Avoid the question!
I'm not asking you to find the Higgs Boson or prove God's existence.
All you have to do is back up your statement that allegations that John Terry paid Veronica Perroncel to abort his baby were proved true.
Why is that so difficult?
I'm not asking you to find the Higgs Boson or prove God's existence.
All you have to do is back up your statement that allegations that John Terry paid Veronica Perroncel to abort his baby were proved true.
Why is that so difficult?
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anticonscience - summing up finished, no verdict before 2pm tomorrow.
cm1179 - if you are going to make a statement, you should be prepared to back it up with a fact or two, and the fact that you have responded in other ways without doing so doesn't help your credibility.
It would be easy for me to make a ton of posts alleging that you are "Rachel the crossdresser" from the anonymous confessions thread, but it doesn't make it true, and you would I am sure be eager for me to put up or shut up.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
cm1179 - if you are going to make a statement, you should be prepared to back it up with a fact or two, and the fact that you have responded in other ways without doing so doesn't help your credibility.
It would be easy for me to make a ton of posts alleging that you are "Rachel the crossdresser" from the anonymous confessions thread, but it doesn't make it true, and you would I am sure be eager for me to put up or shut up.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
Adjournment until tomorrow afternoon so not before 14:00.
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I've been following this over the week and I can't shake the following thoughts :
1) With a maximum penalty of £2500 and in light of the huge costs involved was this prosecution really in the public interest?
2) When you consider what Terry came out with the single word that is causing an issue is the least offensive word in question. In my opinion the f and c words are more offensive than the b word.
I don't actually believe calling someone a black something is racist. Anton Ferdinand IS black so surely that is just a statement of fact. By calling him a black "c" does that imply that he is "c" because he is black? I don't think it is.
1) With a maximum penalty of £2500 and in light of the huge costs involved was this prosecution really in the public interest?
2) When you consider what Terry came out with the single word that is causing an issue is the least offensive word in question. In my opinion the f and c words are more offensive than the b word.
I don't actually believe calling someone a black something is racist. Anton Ferdinand IS black so surely that is just a statement of fact. By calling him a black "c" does that imply that he is "c" because he is black? I don't think it is.
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The only reason the cost may seem trivial is because £2500 is spare change to the likes of John Terry. The much more important point though is that he is somebody who is looked up to by thousands of people in this country, so regardless of the cost an example has to be made that such language is unacceptable, especially from somebody who is supposed to be a role model.
Inregards to your second point, I think its gone over your head.
Terry has deliberately used the colour of skin as a derogative and reason to abuse him. Of course the term Black is the accepted term to describe somebody of that skin colour, however by using it as part of an offensive statement he is being deliberately racist. If he just thought he was a C word, then he would have just called him that. By calling him a Black C word, he is being racist.
Do you see?
This tbh.
One thing i have always found racist is what the anti - racists are always fighting. why would one think that calling a white man White is very ok and normal while calling a person Black is an insult. I see it in a way some body is already attaching being white to a blessing while being black to a curse.
it doesn't help by fellow blacks crying foul because they have been called black. What's wrong with being black?. Does it mean if he had called him a white man despite the fact that he is black then it have been OK.
The easiest way of ending racial abuses is we black people accepting that we are black and taking pride in being referred as Black irrespective of where we are. Personally i feel honored being called black and think its plainly stupid running in courts of law because some called you a black man while ignoring the fact that you were called a **** by the same guy. Implying you would prefer being called a **** instead of being called black
Indeed, once blacks stop being hypersensitive about their skin colour such namecalling will soon die out because it will no longer have the desired effect, if blacks had a few words that universally enraged a white person I'm sure those with low moral standards would use it as well under certain circumstances and in the face of having nothing more intelligent to say.
There's a big difference between being a racist and knowing what buttons to push though.
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100% This you are the first black person i have heard with some sense regarding it.
If blacks started acting with your common sense there would be no need for all this fuss over a colour. white black it doesn't matter were all humans.
As you rightly say id be more bothered about someone calling me a **** than white. This should be the case for any colour.
That cracked me up when I read that.
I don't think it's a case of it going over anybody's head. It's more a case of it just seeming absurd that you can't use the word "black" when it's both factually correct and nothing to be insulted about on its own. The "N-bomb" is a different matter because you're clearly alluding to the not-so-nice past. With black people holding some of the highest offices in the world, how can the word "black" be derogatory in anyway?
I guess you're saying that it's not just factual it's "loaded" - but that's your problem. If people didn't get their panties in a bunch about the word then it wouldn't be such a big deal.Remember Big Ron's famous outburst when he didn't realize the mic was on? THAT was clearly racist. JT calling somebody a black **** in the heat of a game is just handbags and nothing more.
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