Jordan Peterson thread

Roar87 said:
I think the government should step away from parenting, mostly because it costs the tax payer money. If you need to be taught how to walk on a slippery surface then you probably aren't going to spend time reading the documentation produced.

I find a reminder to wash your hands is reasonable. Perhaps a sign teaching people how to urinate is next?
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People being idiots and not following sensible advice can cost the government even more. Just look in A&E on a Friday and Saturday night.

Roar87 said:
Seems reasonable to me given the inherent danger around trains and potentially falling onto the tracks. That's kind of the key I suppose, reasonable vs unreasonable. I suspect if Jordan Peterson hadn't retweeted it most people would agree it's rather silly, though I wouldn't be angry about it.
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The government are no where near as safety conscious as when I was a kid. There were lots of commercials with such advice on the TV.

Roar87 said:
Yeah, I agree with Karl
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Yeah killing yourself falling off at 30mph without a helmet when it wouldn't be an issue with helmet on seems a really sensible choice to make. As someone who used to race motorbikes I can attest that falling off at speed can ruin your head when you then look at the state of your helmet when its scraped down the tarmac for 50m. Only an idiot rides on the roads without a helmet on.

Why not say the same for seatbelts as well.
 
Sankari said:
It's his hypocrisy that exposes Peterson as a weakminded man. He's not strong enough to follow his own principles. He just markets them to other people for profit.
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You can tell twitter is dying because jordan peterson mistaking domme milking porn as chinese torture would have been main character hilarity for weeks even a year ago
 
Roar87 said:
This is from 2020? It's unfortunate but perhaps reasonable considering his wife had cancer.
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Not sure what that had to do with it? He started taking benzo's in 2017, his wife was diagnosed with cancer in 2019. He was already well addicted by then.

It also shows how a smart guy in one aspect can also be incredibly dumb in another, something you seem to struggle to understand, as shown by this quote of his

Peterson would continue taking benzodiazepines, which he considered ‘a relatively harmless substance’, for ‘almost exactly three years’.
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Really? He thought a highly addictive psychoactive sedative which should only be used for a short period was 'a relatively harmless substance' :confused: I mean, he might not have personally known that (not sure how he wouldn't) but surely you look into the medication you take if you don't know about it.

Roar87 said:
This thing of calling him drug addict as a slur seems so strange, do many people not use pain killers and anti-depressants while going through tough times?
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Not particularly. You take pain killers for (physical) pain, you take anti-depressents for depression. Benzo's are a depressant, which JP was taking for anxiety. The hypocrisy being he has a multitude of videos, doling out his life advice to everyone else on how you should overcome anxiety in your life, none of them say take drugs.

He also has his advice (from before this episode) on addiction and how to beat it, a main driver being spiritual transformation. He doesn't seem to mention using rare and exclusive treatments of being put into an induced coma to be able to overcome the withdrawals.

Roar87 said:
People suffer from addiction and recover, it's life. He seems to be doing great now, which you'd know if you'd listened to him.
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Which is great for him personally, though like pointed out he used medical intervention rather than spiritual transformation to beat it, so I genuinely hope he has the internal strength not to relapse, for his sake.
 
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Freakbro said:
Not sure what that had to do with it? He started taking benzo's in 2017, his wife was diagnosed with cancer in 2019. He was already well addicted by then.

It also shows how a smart guy in one aspect can also be incredibly dumb in another, something you seem to struggle to understand, as shown by this quote of his



Really? He thought a highly addictive psychoactive sedative which should only be used for a short period was 'a relatively harmless substance' :confused: I mean, he might not have personally known that (not sure how he wouldn't) but surely you look into the medication you take if you don't know about it.



Not particularly. You take pain killers for (physical) pain, you take anti-depressents for depression. Benzo's are a depressant, which JP was taking for anxiety. The hypocrisy being he has a multitude of videos, doling out his life advice to everyone else on how you should overcome anxiety in your life, none of them say take drugs.

He also has his advice (from before this episode) on addiction and how to beat it, a main driver being spiritual transformation. He doesn't seem to mention using rare and exclusive treatments of being put into an induced coma to be able to overcome the withdrawals.


Which is great for him personally, though like pointed out he used medical intervention rather than spiritual transformation to beat it, so I genuinely hope he has the internal strength not to relapse, for his sake.
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Great post. The man is a hypocrite. Imagine a psychologist not understanding the dangers of taking benzos and this is someone dishing out advice to others.

I think you were generous with your use of language here

being put into an induced coma to be able to overcome the withdrawals
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He completely bypassed withdrawal by sleeping through it. Nice option to have, something 99% of addicts don't have as an option. Where was this spiritual strength then?

I've no issue with addicts offering advice on their addiction and how to beat it, I'm sure we all know people who have or do struggle with one addiction or another. That isn't what he has done though. He lectures people on how they should live their lives but doesn't live by the rules he tells others to live by.

Roar87 said:
People suffer from addiction and recover, it's life. He seems to be doing great now, which you'd know if you'd listened to him.
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Does he Roar? You think his statement and twitter posts are of someone doing great now?
 
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i-bert said:
Sorry but this is not true. He has categorically said that in some forms of depression, drugs do work.
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Diazepam is NOT a treatment for depression and they are only used for a few weeks as a treatment for severe anxiety or severe insomnia. If he wasn't aware of this I would be seriously concerned in him working with patients. Yes i know he can't proscribe drugs as he doesn't hold a medical degree but still, you can't be that ignorant of medication and work in mental health.

edit: I know you aren't disputing this but his ignorance of how dangerous benzos are is concerning to say the least.
 
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i-bert said:
Sorry but this is not true. He has categorically said that in some forms of depression, drugs do work.
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I've probably not watched enough of his content to see that, so I won't dispute that, but in what context?

For as much as I despise anti-depressants (took them once and would never take them again) I can understand why in some circumstances they can get you over an extreme mental health crisis. But that's not what JP took, he took a sedative for anxiety (like Vallium, Xanex etc) not an anti-depressant and they are known to be highly addictive short term measures and not something for ongoing treatment.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Diazepam is NOT a treatment for depression and they are only used for a few weeks as a treatment for severe anxiety or severe insomnia. If he wasn't aware of this I would be seriously concerned in him working with patients. Yes i know he can't proscribe drugs as he doesn't hold a medical degree but still, you can't be that ignorant of medication and work in mental health.
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Yeah sorry, I should learn to read before replying.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
He completely bypassed withdrawal by sleeping through it.
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You can't sleep through benzo withdrawal. It's incredibly dangerous to suddenly stop taking benzos if you've been on them for as long as he has because of seizure risks, they have to be tapered off of very slowly with the help of a doctor and a taper plan. Going through benzo withdrawal is a special kind of hell that can literally last for years if the medication is stopped abruptly. If he was taking them for 3 years, he may still be nearing the end of his taper plan.
 
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ANONANON said:
You can't sleep through benzo withdrawal. It's incredibly dangerous to suddenly stop taking benzos because of seizure risks, they have to be tapered off of very slowly with the help of a doctor and a taper plan. Going through benzo withdrawal is a special kind of hell that can literally last for years if the medication is stopped abruptly. If he was taking them for 3 years, he may still be nearing the end of his taper plan.
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He went to Russia to be placed in a comma for 8 days to bypass the worst of the physical problems. You are right though, I shouldn't have said completely bypass. All I meant is that isn't an option for most people. I'm not having a go at him for getting addicted to something, I know enough people who have been addicted to various substances, especially alcohol. Though he was telling people how to live their lives while he himself had got into a terrible mess.

nationalpost.com

Why was Jordan Peterson placed in a medically induced coma? What we know about benzodiazepines and treatment

His daughter's account has raised questions about the difference between physical dependence and addiction, side effects and potential treatments
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Colonel_Klinck said:
He went to Russia to be placed in a comma for 8 days to bypass the worst of the physical problems. You are right though, I shouldn't have said completely bypass. All I meant is that isn't an option for most people. I'm not having a go at him for getting addicted to something, I know enough people who have been addicted to various substances, especially alcohol. Though he was telling people how to live their lives while he himself had got into a terrible mess.

nationalpost.com

Why was Jordan Peterson placed in a medically induced coma? What we know about benzodiazepines and treatment

His daughter's account has raised questions about the difference between physical dependence and addiction, side effects and potential treatments
nationalpost.com nationalpost.com
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I'd love to see the infamously anti-addict Hitchens go up against him, but sadly doubt that will ever happen.
 
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Jordan Peterson: Critics complain over 'misleading' book cover quotes

Two journalists say quotes used on a Jordan Peterson book jacket misrepresented their reviews.
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Two critics who reviewed a book by Jordan Peterson have said their articles were quoted on its cover in a misleading way.

Quotes from reviews published in the Times and the New Statesman were used on the cover of the paperback edition of Peterson's Beyond Order.

The book cover quoted a line from the Times saying the book was "a philosophy of the meaning of life".

But it didn't mention that the review described that philosophy as "bonkers".
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