Juncker calls for the creation of an EU army.
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It does. For any country to release both funds and military manpower to another sovereign entity requires, by definition, the surrender of that sovereignty over them.
The EU currently is simply a membership...each country influencing policy to varying degrees and retaining vetoes in many areas, often unequally. There would be serious issues where EU and individual nations foreign policy doesn't align and domestically it would cause all kinds of issues with regard to political capital. We already have enough problems with NATO without adding another politicised level to defence.
We see the issues with jurisdiction and sovereignty in Euro law enforcement already, imagine those problems magnified a hundred fold.
It's pie in the sky thinking.
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Then who would?
Strasbourg command, which already exists.
An EU army, wouldnot be releasing military manpower. It would be their own man power.
Just like are own parliament can't decide. Nor can EU, we still manage to go to war. You now there's guidelines, votes and overules.
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EU forces.
EU equipment, eu soldiers, EU training, operating out if EU bases, they are EU. Nothing to do with any single country.
Equipment would be purchased for the EU forces, soldiers would be contract to the EU forces, not loaned.
Where would it get that manpower from?
Who would decide foreign policy?
Who would decide to declare war?
The French and UK military work together all the time. Are you saying that If Russia started rolling heavily into Europe, the UK and France (from both a NATO and next door neighbour perspective) wouldn't work together? Come on....
$100b from the EU does not buy you more than $100b can for the UK and France. What it does do is spread the budget across more personnel resulting in lower spec, lower tech equipment. This is exactly how it works with Russia. Poor equipment but loads of bodies...
People would apply, just like people apply to become a uk soldier, they would have the option of applying to become an EU soldier. we already have freedom of movement and jobs in the EU.
EU parliament
EU Parliament.
No different to how it worlds on a local level, of uk parliment deciding what happens to uk forces.
Wu parliament would decide what happens to EU forces.
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Looking more and more like the communist soviet union every single day.
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The French and UK military work together all the time. Are you saying that If Russia started rolling heavily into Europe, the UK and France (from both a NATO and next door neighbour perspective) wouldn't work together? Come on....
$100b from the EU does not buy you more than $100b can for the UK and France. What it does do is spread the budget across more personnel resulting in lower spec, lower tech equipment. This is exactly how it works with Russia. Poor equipment but loads of bodies...
No, I'm saying that working to gether is inefficient.
We will have massive overlap of forces, two different command structures, two different training strategy, different languages etc.
Combines forces can never be as efficient as a single entity.
It only spreads it across more man power if you decide to go that route, you don't have to.
You can do lots of things, small but very high tech, very low tech but massive, somewhere in-between.
Wow.
Man of Honour
What common language would they use?
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German of course. We all germans now, hitler actually won, people only just finding that out.
It doesn't matter. They would probably decide English, simply as it's the most widely spoken.
Man of Honour
Federalist pie in the sky...
Soldato
I think we need to update the target codes for Trident. Maastricht, not Moscow.
The French and UK military work together all the time. Are you saying that If Russia started rolling heavily into Europe, the UK and France (from both a NATO and next door neighbour perspective) wouldn't work together? Come on....
$100b from the EU does not buy you more than $100b can for the UK and France. What it does do is spread the budget across more personnel resulting in lower spec, lower tech equipment. This is exactly how it works with Russia. Poor equipment but loads of bodies...
The problem is the EU lacks a very important tool in diplomacy - it doesn't have a stick. When you sit at the table with dictators like Putin, it's very difficult to negotiate because, for these people, the size of the stick is everything.
If you are referring to the Eurocorps, then that just shows how infective and pointless the whole thing really is. In any actual action that the Eurocorps have participated in, they have come under the command of either NATO or Joint operations commands such as ISAF.
The reason it's so under funded and undermanned is precisely because of the problems in maintaining such an armed force without securing sovereignty over the armed forces of its constituent members.
Man of Honour
That would really go down well with the French/ Germans and would also limit who could join so it really isn't that simple.