Juncker calls for the creation of an EU army.

Glaucus said:
People would apply, just like people apply to become a uk soldier, they would have the option of applying to become an EU soldier. we already have freedom of movement and jobs in the EU.

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EU Parliament.

No different to how it worlds on a local level, of uk parliment deciding what happens to uk forces.
Wu parliament would decide what happens to EU forces.
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Which would make it ineffective. People would simply join their own countries military.

What is EU foreign policy directly contradicts UK foreign policy? What happens if UK Forces come into direct conflict with EU forces?

There is good reason why the Strasbourg agreement only supplies member nations military liaison and troops and then only deploys under joint command authority or under UN police keeping resolution command.

It's just unworkable without the surrender of foreign policy.
 
Cosimo said:
That would really go down well with the French/ Germans and would also limit who could join so it really isn't that simple.
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How would it limit who could join? You saying people can't learn a second language.

It doesn't matter what individual countries think, as it would be EU forces. Which is the entire point, get away from infighting about pointless things.

If you know you want to be an EU soldier you simply make sure you do the language at school. No different to now, you have to select subjects and nothing stopping you doing subjects later.

But yeah lets keep making these stupid pointless excuses as a toad block. These are total non issues.
 
I think long term it is inevitible, just like closer EU integration. However I personally don't want a United States of Europe. I do want close cooperation and think that this should be done under the NATO umbrella. That is, afterall, what NATO was formed for wasn't it? I also think that NATO membership should require a minimum spend on defense, and that figure should be higher than it currently is.
 
Castiel said:
Which would make it ineffective. People would simply join their own countries military.

What is EU foreign policy directly contradicts UK foreign policy? What happens if UK Forces come into direct conflict with EU forces?

There is good reason why the Strasbourg agreement only supplies member nations military liaison and troops and then only deploys under joint command authority or under UN police keeping resolution command.

It's just unworkable without the surrender of foreign policy.
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I don't know, I can't think if any current situation where EU and UK contradicts each other. Oh wait it happens daily and EU always wins.

Yeah the good reason is natolism, utterly pointless and not a good reason at all.
 
Cosimo said:
That would really go down well with the French/ Germans and would also limit who could join so it really isn't that simple.
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It already caused all kinds of arguments with regard the Eurocorps...In the end NATO joint command in the field forced English as the common language.

The Eurocorps fiasco just illustrates how totally unwieldy this kind of thing is without federal oversight. It's also unnecessary as its not as if we don't successfully have a joint military command treaty capable of countering any threat in the world for the last 60 years now is it?

Any EU army would be a token attempt at best, just look at Strasbourg to see how it's turned out in the past.
 
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Hades said:
I think long term it is inevitible, just like closer EU integration. However I personally don't want a United States of Europe. I do want close cooperation and think that this should be done under the NATO umbrella. That is, afterall, what NATO was formed for wasn't it? I also think that NATO membership should require a minimum spend on defense, and that figure should be higher than it currently is.
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Es gibt nichts unvermeidlich über unsere Souveränität zu verlieren.
 
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Glaucus said:
I don't know, I can't think if any current situation where EU and UK contradicts each other. Oh wait it happens daily and EU always wins.

Yeah the good reason is natolism, utterly pointless and not a good reason at all.
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Dismiss it if you want, but unfortunately nationalism is exactly what underpins the military.

And you are right, the EU and UK (and its other constituent members) contradict and disagree with each other daily...which is why the EU is so bureaucratic and takes an age to come to any form of compromised position, and also why the more powerful countries hold vetos or simply ignore EU edicts.

Imagine that in a defence situation...it would be a disaster.
 
Uther said:
And what happens if the Conservatives get back in, hold the promised EU referendum, and the UK leaves?
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Wenn wir die EU verlassen, dann werden wir in einer viel besseren Position als der Rest der Länder, die sich noch in der kommunistischen Gewerkschaft stecken können. Ich denke, wenn das Vereinigte Königreich verlassen die gesamte EU auseinander fallen, da die UK ist ein wichtiges Mitglied.

Zethor said:
Can you stop with the paranoid delusional rambling?
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sich daran zu gewöhnen
 
Uther said:
And what happens if the Conservatives get back in, hold the promised EU referendum, and the UK leaves?
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The EU will go on, the UK will be forced to obey its rules just like other non-EU European countries do and it will have no say in how those rules are made.
 
amigafan2003 said:
Yes. As I said earlier, I'd like it to go further than that though.
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You can't be serious?
Uther said:
And what happens if the Conservatives get back in, hold the promised EU referendum, and the UK leaves?
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We will never leave the EU, the referendum is a trick to make people think they are still in control. If voting actually made a difference, it would be illegal.
 
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