Junior doctor strike: Union's pay demands unrealistic, says Steve Barclay

for example,
a ward bed costs between £400-600/day
an ICU bed costs upward of £2000 a day (or more, depending on what torture we're subjecting the patient to)
and doesn't include diagnostics like X rays/CTs/blood tests
 
tamzzy said:
for example,
a ward bed costs between £400-600/day
an ICU bed costs upward of £2000 a day (or more, depending on what torture we're subjecting the patient to)
and doesn't include diagnostics like X rays/CTs/blood tests
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Can I ask where those figures come from and how are they made up?
 
Roar87 said:
Can I ask where those figures come from and how are they made up?
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sure

Table - PMC

To estimate the annual health economic impact of healthcare-associated infections (HCAIs) to the National Health Service (NHS) in England. A modelling study based on a combination of published data and clinical practice. NHS hospitals in England. ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
@Roar87 it was a lecture i've been to about health economics that i quote my numbers from
the link is from a quick google search which tallies with what i've been told
 
now compared to the USA (yes first hand experience)
my grandad went for a holiday with my parents and needed a 2 day stay in hospital - no insurance as he's 86

ambulance = $1500
A+E = $3000
diagnostics (bloods + 1 CT scan) = $4500
2 day admission = $25,000!
 
tamzzy said:
sure

Table - PMC

To estimate the annual health economic impact of healthcare-associated infections (HCAIs) to the National Health Service (NHS) in England. A modelling study based on a combination of published data and clinical practice. NHS hospitals in England. ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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There's no actual source, it just links to " https://www.england.nhs.uk/ " which obviously is just a website lol
 
tamzzy said:
for example,
a ward bed costs between £400-600/day
an ICU bed costs upward of £2000 a day (or more, depending on what torture we're subjecting the patient to)
and doesn't include diagnostics like X rays/CTs/blood tests
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We just need a healthier population to minimise bed usage and use the savings to pay doctors more - maybe NI contributions should be linked to BMI.. :D
 
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n111ck said:
PPE does expire so stockpiling isn't as simple as it may seem.

Also if you said in early 2019 what was about to happen people would have just laughed in your face.
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It expires, but is remarkably easy to store and you deal with the stockpile in pretty much the same way every corner shop deals with stock that has far shorter expiry dates, you track what is going in and rotate it out when it nears the end of it's life.
That means you've not only got a stockpile for emergencies but if done properly you have a stockpile that can get you over short term supply issues and helps to even out the cost in the long term by buying some additional stock when it's cheap.

This of course requires that you don't give the contract for dealing with it to the cheapest bidder who then just keeps shoving it between one leaky warehouse and another without keeping records.

When the government went to use what stockpile it did have it was an utter shambles that required the armed forces got involved because it turned out the cheapest bidder was, as is usually the case, utterly useless at doing what they'd been contracted to do and there had been no attempt to maintain it, or even keep proper records of what was where.

Also people wouldn't have laughed in your face if you'd suggested keeping a stockpile for emergencies, at least not anyone with any clue, as we used to do just that, keeping a stockpile of supplies for an emergency is one of the things that is utterly standard in many industries, let alone on a national level.
 
Doobedoo said:
How would the private sector go about it?
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The private sector is just as bad in this country, the retention rates are poor, I doubt you'll see the same doctor a year later, they too are grinded down.

There are ways for the NHS to stay afloat. But of course some citizens refuse to do it.

They did the same to housing, and destroyed the housing market, they detached it from organic fundamentals. The private sector is sucking in all the benefits.

ultimately, most will not own their home, companies are jumping into a market that they once would never have thought of doing.

Government can't even fund the armed forces.

The whole public system is collapsing in front of your eyes. It has been going this way for years.

Look at the national deficit, not as bad a WW1&2, but when you are 100% of nf just for keeping the country afloat then you have serious problems.

Insurance and pensions are the main customers of UK debt, amongst others like states buying then leading back.

Austerity measures do not work in the current form. It just keeps/ push deficit to 100% gdp.

It is going to get worse and very very hard decision will be made. The longer they keep tinkering with the system the worse it will be.
 
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n111ck said:
We just need a healthier population to minimise bed usage and use the savings to pay doctors more - maybe NI contributions should be linked to BMI.. :D
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Unfortunately a healthier population is not going to happen, we seem to be heading the opposite way. Even if you remove cancers/tumours etc that aren't caused by lifestyle factors. You've still got swathes of people who are overweight and require critical care after they've had a heart attack.

The public need to be bluntly told either they have to fund the NHS more, or it'll need to cut back on the services it can provide.
 
Semple said:
Unfortunately a healthier population is not going to happen, we seem to be heading the opposite way. Even if you remove cancers/tumours etc that aren't caused by lifestyle factors. You've still got swathes of people who are overweight and require critical care after they've had a heart attack.

The public need to be bluntly told either they have to fund the NHS more, or it'll need to cut back on the services it can provide.
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The public also need to be bluntly told to lose some weight and start moving.
 
200sols said:
The public also need to be bluntly told to lose some weight and start moving.
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Government needs to come down hard on food producers. The amount of junk they are putting in foods is ridiculous.
Ban sugar and Food grade silicon in foods E900 etc...
 
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200sols said:
We can agree on that. The mountains of junk and processed foods people are eating is causing serious issues to health now.
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Food grade silicon, you know the type of silicon they use in breast implants. Dimethylpolysiloxane.E900.
 
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Minstadave said:
That's exactly how it works. A doctor starts as a Foundation doctor, progress through Foundaton Years 1/2 to speciality training which is upto 8 years, all 10 years are under the Junior Doctor terminology but for many of them you are what used to be called a Registrar and are pretty senior. I would manage a whole Childrens cardiac intensive care or Tertiary NICU alone at night with a Consultant on the phone if needed all whilst being a "Junior Doctor". The terminology is stupid and misleading.

As you progress through training your pay goes up but that's outside of Trust control.
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So you seem to be confirming that only the newest JD's that are perhaps still around 2 years or less into the job would be on £14 ph.
 
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