Just been told I am losing 5% of my salary...

ubern00b said:
Lost of semantics and ways you can look at it. I think a lot of people are missing the fact that I got paid this FOR A DECADE. As far as I was concerned, it was my salary. Rightly or wrongly, black and white, I simply won't beleive anyone who says they wouldn't see it like that after such a time period.
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You got paid this for a decade because you were on-call 1 in 3 for a decade. From what you've posted, it sounds like you changed to 1 in 4 last August, ergo instead of 1.444 weeks of on-call every month, you are now doing 1.0833 weeks/month.

It makes sense that less work = less pay.

Now the argument you may have is that you weren't consulted on/advised of the change of rota, and if possible you'd like to move back to the 1 in 3, but ultimately it comes down to what your contract states, and if there is no mention of on-call in there, or it's as vague as most contracts and states something like "on-call as per the requirements of the business" then I don't think you'll have much of a leg to stand on unfortunately :/
 
mrbell1984 said:
They are still taking that 5% away though for not been on call. It's been removed.
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But he's not losing 5% of his salary. It's an additional rate on top of his salary for a start. He's losing, effectively, money that he's been stealing from his employer!
 
From what you've told us here I would just accept the outcome. They've dun goofed and let you off without paying them back for their error, which is more than can be said for a lot of employers.
 
ubern00b said:
Lol not at all, I was trying to argue that because I had been recieving this for ~10+ years can they just turn around and reduce it.

I'm not after money for nothing, it's just a financial shock and I want to be sure that the kick in the pants can't be avoided somehow. That's all.
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You've been receiving it for being on a higher frequency callout rotation though, which you're now no longer on?

The same way as if you started working a 4d/32h week where you'd previously been working a 5d/40h week, you'd probably be looking at a 20% hit to your salary - you wouldn't keep your full time salary just because you'd be on it for 10 years?
 
mrbell1984 said:
Not OPs fault they wern't the one who calculated the salary so it's not stealing. He is losing 5% of the additional rate though.
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It's a crime to knowingly accepting money wrongly. I believe it's called "retaining wrongful credit" or something. Comes under theft. So yes, it's not his fault they goofed but to take money you're not entitled to is still classed as theft even if it's someone elses error. Legally he is obliged to repay it. I don't know about you but I know how much I should be taking home each month.
 
ubern00b said:
Business can be very short sighted sometimes. All they are telling me is that there is no appreciation for any of the times i jumped in when needed and as such I certainly won't be doing it in future.
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But they havent really have they, they let you have nearly a years extra 5% for not doing your past role and not expecting it back. That sounds like appreciation to me
 
Bear said:
But they havent really have they, they let you have nearly a years extra 5% for not doing your past role and not expecting it back. That sounds like appreciation to me
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In effect, he's had a 5% bonus, additional to any other bonus he may have had :p
 
Kenai said:
In effect, he's had a 5% bonus, additional to any other bonus he may have had :p
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...and now he's going to change his attitude and not put the effort in :D

OP, I would be careful in the current climate unless you're confident you can just walk into a similar job.
 
So you got paid £X per month plus 9.5% for being on call, to me X is your salary, the on call isn't guaranteed?
You have been paid 9.5% for 10 years but last August you gained an extra head which pushed your additional income to 4.5% but they paid you an additional 5% for almost a year and you claimed overtime hours on top of this.
I'm struggling to see how this wasn't a years worth of win for you. Its stopping now but you still claim overtime hours and get 4.5% of your wage for being contactable 13 weeks a year instead of 9.5% for 17-18 weeks per year.
By my man maths also, you aren't down 5% of your total wage as you are not losing 5% of your regular salary nor overtime rate. Its not even a case of "suck it up buttercup" as you were at an advantage, I wonder if your other colleagues got the extra too? as they will be in the same situation with an extra body coming on onboard.
 
Dis86 said:
It's a crime to knowingly accepting money wrongly. I believe it's called "retaining wrongful credit" or something. Comes under theft. So yes, it's not his fault they goofed but to take money you're not entitled to is still classed as theft even if it's someone elses error. Legally he is obliged to repay it. I don't know about you but I know how much I should be taking home each month.
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To be fair, it sounds like the OP wasn't completely aware he was being overpaid (although surely you'd know which weeks you were supposed to be on call? :confused:)
 
Appreciate all the view points, this is why we post on forums to gain insight. Yes I have had a year of 5% extra, you can look at it like that and I am looking at it like that lol. I guess I'm just salty at the news and it will pass and I will see things clearer. Feels like a lot of people standing on soap boxes though. I can't beleive you're all so morally superior that if it happened to you you would thank your employer and sing their praises. Maybe I will next week, for now I choose to be salty heh :D

And yes there are other colleagues who are in the same boat.

I'm sorry if I am not getting my point across in a way you guys can comprehend but all this talk of "surely you know what you should be getting paid" and well, calling me a theif (really?) let me try paint the picture a little clearer: I have been paid 9.5% for 10 years. Never any different. My salary changes every year. I am not responsible for recruitment or making sure I am paid correctly, as far as I was concerend I was getting paid correctly. We had people drop off on-call and then come back and then the team grew etc. I didn't keep track of it all, it quite literally is not my job. So yes I have had a year of money I should not have had that they are not seeking to reclaim. I didn't look at it like this. Score.
 
ubern00b said:
Appreciate all the view points, this is why we post on forums to gain insight. Yes I have had a year of 5% extra, you can look at it like that and I am looking at it like that lol. I guess I'm just salty at the news and it will pass and I will see things clearer. Feels like a lot of people standing on soap boxes though. I can't beleive you're all so morally superior that if it happened to you you would thank your employer and sing their praises. Maybe I will next week, for now I choose to be salty heh :D

And yes there are other colleagues who are in the same boat.

I'm sorry if I am not getting my point across in a way you guys can comprehend but all this talk of "surely you know what you should be getting paid" and well, calling me a theif (really?) let me try paint the picture a little clearer: I have been paid 9.5% for 10 years. Never any different. My salary changes every year. I am not responsible for recruitment or making sure I am paid correctly, as far as I was concerend I was getting paid correctly. We had people drop off on-call and then come back and then the team grew etc. I didn't keep track of it all, it quite literally is not my job. So yes I have had a year of money I should not have had that they are not seeking to reclaim. I didn't look at it like this. Score.
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Actually, you are responsible for ensuring you're paid correctly. Thats one of the reasons its required that you are provided with a payslip. Bet you would have been whining quickly enough if you were being underpaid!
 
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