Just been told I am losing 5% of my salary...

StuBob · 27 Jul 2020 at 13:29

ubern00b said:
Lol not at all, I was trying to argue that because I had been recieving this for ~10+ years can they just turn around and reduce it.

I'm not after money for nothing, it's just a financial shock and I want to be sure that the kick in the pants can't be avoided somehow. That's all.

But they are not turning round and reducing it, you have been moved to a different rotation already detailed in your contract but were still mistakenly paid for the previous rotation arrangement. The 10 year argument is moot as you already ackowledge it was payment under provisions of 1/3 rotation, it does not mean the top line should remain as part of your salary just because. Your arrangements changed and so did the correct allowance payments, only they maade an initial payroll mistake likely for the same 'habitual' reasons.

wesimmo · 27 Jul 2020 at 13:31

The last place I worked at I found all sorts of issues when I went through the payroll process.

Some people had been paid for years after leaving, full pay through maternity, sick days not recorded etc.

The company chased most of those, though to be fair I also uncovered underpayments too and they were paid.

Definitely look at it as a bonus.

ubern00b · 27 Jul 2020 at 13:33

Thanks to everyone who replied constructivly. I'm going to leave the thread there. Certain members are being quite abrasive in their replies. Maybe I'm just being a little fragile but there is just no need. I've been set on the right course and changed my viewpoint and been educated along the way. Cheers.

wesimmo · 27 Jul 2020 at 13:38

I don't think a lot of people understand how much sticky tape and bodges can be holding payroll together in even big firms.

It's like herding cats sometimes trying to get the data and behaviours lined up to make it a smooth process.

Kenai · 27 Jul 2020 at 13:38

ubern00b said:
I am not responsible for [...] making sure I am paid correctly

I would say on a personal level, this is a mindset you might want to change - even if not in a legal sense, it makes sense for you to consider yourself responsible for the correctness of your pay, as it's ultimately you that has to deal with the end consequences of being underpaid or having overpayments potentially claimed back.

Look at this way - they could have come to you asking for that money back - £200 per month for 12 months - they could have been asking for £2,400 back in a lump or wanting to not only reduce your 5% but adjust monthly to recover the last 12 months worth and adjusted you down 10% per month for the year. (Numbers are all ignoring pre vs post-tax etc.)

Haggisman · 27 Jul 2020 at 14:01

ubern00b said:
I am not responsible for recruitment or making sure I am paid correctly, as far as I was concerend I was getting paid correctly.

It must be nice to be in such a comfortable financial position that you don't even need to worry if you are being paid correctly!

I'm also not sure how you could manage to not realise you were doing 1 in 4 weeks rather than 1 in 3? Surely you need to know if you're on call or not?

MikeTheNative · 27 Jul 2020 at 14:18

I'm sure if you were under for wages you wouldn't be saying that your not responsible for you pay .

jaybee · 27 Jul 2020 at 17:15

I think you should be thankful you were allowed to keep the over payment and move on with life. It's a good lesson to remember that salary (negotiation and pay rises) are king if staying in a job longer term, over bonuses, overtime and on call. Don't rely on overtime or on call. Businesses change.

Arsonist · 27 Jul 2020 at 18:44

You appear to earn approx. 4k a month (based on £200 being equal to 5% of your wage). You are being allowed to keep your overpayments in lieu of a slightly reduced future income.

And this through a global pandemic and the start of a global recession. Some of us earn significantly less than that. Some of us are losing our jobs. I'd take the 5% paycut and run for the blimin' hills!!

leoncuprar · 27 Jul 2020 at 21:18

I know this thread has run it's course but to add, some of my team have lost 20% shift allowance due to covid so count yourself lucky OP.. I for one am just really grateful to have a relatively safe job at the moment..

Rroff · 27 Jul 2020 at 21:29

wesimmo said:
I don't think a lot of people understand how much sticky tape and bodges can be holding payroll together in even big firms.

It's like herding cats sometimes trying to get the data and behaviours lined up to make it a smooth process.

Wrote out a long reply to this but it would probably have me up on disciplinary at work if any of the higher ups saw it :s so I've deleted it - we had an incident related to this where an employee (not me) finally lost their **** over payroll issues.

dowie · 27 Jul 2020 at 21:52

wesimmo said:
I don't think a lot of people understand how much sticky tape and bodges can be holding payroll together in even big firms.

It's like herding cats sometimes trying to get the data and behaviours lined up to make it a smooth process.

I can believe that, never had a problem with it myself mind but it was a full time job for one woman in a previous firm... I mean you'd think that aside from some HR admin person perhaps having to enter a new joiner or enter a leaving date for an existing employee/mid year rise for someone retained then then it should be largely automatic other than annual bonus payments and pay rises.

I mean if you submit your own expenses and the relevant manager approves them then... meh, should be automated.

Yet the fact is it generated full time work for one person whose sole responsibility was just pay roll.

wesimmo · 27 Jul 2020 at 21:58

Rroff said:
Wrote out a long reply to this but it would probably have me up on disciplinary at work if any of the higher ups saw it :s so I've deleted it - we had an incident related to this where an employee (not me) finally lost their **** over payroll issues.

I took it on myself to sort it out.

We got so many ad hoc queries about payroll issues and resolving them after the fact, it just made more sense to get it right 1st time, even though that cost us time, I could at least plan for it.

Also, as you say, it creates huge ill will when people get the wrong pay all the time, getting it right also helped us on the attrition front.

.Lethal · 27 Jul 2020 at 22:14

Ayahuasca said:
...and now he's going to change his attitude and not put the effort in

Stop projecting

Dis86 said:
Bet you would have been whining quickly enough if you were being underpaid!

I mostly see you whining over petty ****.

Rotty · 27 Jul 2020 at 22:15

9.5% was a right con anyway for 1 in 3, 4.5% is an absolute disgrace

.Lethal · 27 Jul 2020 at 22:19

Rotty said:
9.5% was a right con anyway for 1 in 3, 4.5% is an absolute disgrace

Perhaps an underlying issue here is that OP may already feel undervalued at his job and this news hasn't made things any better.

Stumble Bum · 27 Jul 2020 at 22:21

Now we have a clearer picture, to sum up.

OP used to work 1 in 3 on call and receive 9.5% overtime payment for this work, if it was a 1 in 4 rota then this dropped to 4.5% overtime payment instead.

The team grew larger and therefore the rota changed with OP now starting to work a 1 in 4 rota and therefore less work.

Company messes up by continuing to pay higher 9.5%.

Company finally realises, allows OP to KEEP ALL of these over payments.

OP then throws a hissy fit because he's not still being paid the higher 9.5% even though less work is being required. OP has become so accustomed to receiving this higher amount over the years and therefore expects this rate regardless.

I believe the above is all correct?

If so, just wow, the self entitlement of the OP.

Stumble Bum · 27 Jul 2020 at 22:26

Rotty said:
9.5% was a right con anyway for 1 in 3, 4.5% is an absolute disgrace

How can you make that statement? Unless you know what is required of the OP on this 'on call' period.

My mate used to receive circa £180 I think it was for being on call, he would answer a couple of emails over the weekend, maybe the odd phone call that was it, people loved being on call.

Rotty · 27 Jul 2020 at 22:29

Stumble Bum said:
How can you make that statement? Unless you know what is required of the OP on this 'on call' period.

My mate used to receive circa £180 I think it was for being on call, he would answer a couple of emails over the weekend, maybe the odd phone call that was it, people loved being on call.

doesn't matter what is involved as 4.5% is so far off the mark that it defies belief, based on the fact that he claims OT for work done so it's almost certainly more than a couple of emails a week

Stumble Bum · 27 Jul 2020 at 22:32

Rotty said:
doesn't matter what is involved as 4.5% is so far off the mark that it defies belief, based on the fact that he claims OT for work done so it's almost certainly more than a couple of emails a week

You're just guessing, you don't know what is required, what time period this covers, how much work is involved, how easy/challenging it is. I mean you may be correct in that it is not worth the effort, but you're still just guessing. As per my previous example, being on call can be a great easy thing for some people.