Just dropped a deposit on some M Power - Trackday Project Car

Those brakes are full of win.

Well I had a deal on a near new set of AP's with RS29's but the guy selling them let them go to someone else even though he knew I was coming for them, insert rude words. They were gonna cost me 2k which was not bad as about £2600 new.

But maybe it was good luck as then this set came available for just a little more than a set of new AP's and these are more powerful and a full front and rear set costing near 5k new.

The guy sold them to me has a 997.2 GT2 RS with ceramics and claims this setup is even more powerful, can't wait to try them, but works perfect both road and track. :)
 
I predict CSL airbox before the year is out. Heck this car seems to be having every other nice part added to it :D

Not so easy on my car, a CSL airbox means I need to buy a load of parts from BMW to fit it as I'd need to re-locate the SMG hardware and reservoir. Not impossible but about another £300 cost on top in parts.

Then I need to visit Evolve for an Alpha N remap, about a further £300 on top and cheap Geoff Steel CSL airbox are around £1500 or a CSL one second hand around £2500-£3000.

So its a 2k+ job and its just for noise, it won't give me any additional performance.

The RR day was perfect for this as a 2006 CS ran with the CSL airbox and Evolve Alpha N tune, it had less torque than mine and only made an additional 5BHP peak.

Plus everyone thinks my car sounds CSL inside due to the exhaust noise in the cabin and as its a CSL exhaust it has a very much CSL note inside. :)
 
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You now need some of these for the Beetle. You might need to sell your M3 and put some cash in too mind :)

But I've got PCCBs already, just not as big. :p
 
Epic brakes for the M3, great buy.

Not without their potential issues though, albeit personal preference. I remember back in the day some complained about the pedal feel (longer travel) which I think was down to the pads backing off too much. Some folk went back to AP from Alcon, but purely based on pedal feel rather than either of the two being "better".

Get em on and see how you like it, a master cylinder swap should sort the pedal travel if you don't like it.

Read the same, but my pedal is long anyway so should still be an improvement, my master cylinder is brand new so will be sticking with it for a while. :)



Ah man, i deliberately haven't looked at this thread in a while, but i gave in. What a machine.

I love the Apex wheels. Are they just your track wheels/tyres or do you use them on the road? Those brakes look fantastic too. With the brakes, that thing is going to be mental on the track.

Are BMW M3 CSL brakes uprated from the standard M3. Are they any better or still suffer the same problems with fade?

What was the problem with your master cylinder btw?

CSL brakes are just a larger 350mm front disc Otherwise identical.
Last track day boiled the fluid which seemed to kill master cylinder too. :(



I run Carbotechs on the MR2, very good pad and the XP8 is probably about the right compound for trackdays. I use the slightly lower temperature AX6 as I bought them for sprinting and have no problem with them on trackdays but these are probably better suited to longer trackday runs.

XP10 fronts and XP8 with only 1mm of wear so they will last me sometime. Good thing about Alcons is pad selection, best of all the calipers and I shall try RS29's next. :)
 
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Rubbish brakes mate, should have gone to Tegiwa and got some of those free K-Sport kits they are giving away.

In fairness they don't seem bad for the money, but I've being in an M3 with those fitted and they did not have the stopping ability full stop of APs or Alcon's, but were an improvement over stock. Of course pad choice can impact that a lot as well.

Still when it comes to brakes I wanted a big brand name with a lot of very positive feedback which was either Porsche, AP's which are both Brembo anyway or Alcons. :)
 
"AP Racing" is a separate company but as Gibbo said the "AP" company (not AP Racing) is now part of the Brembo group.

AP Racing, AP and Brembo are all supposedly part of the same group, or are certainly sharing parts across their units to my knowledge.

The way I see it:-
AP Racing - absolute best
Brembo - Bloody good stuff
AP - Some budget normal car type stuff, not track/race stuff.
 
Hi there

Decided to fit the CSL front anti roll bar tonight, stock is around 26-27mm and solid weighing around 10kg+

The CSL bar is 30ish mm and half the weight around 5kg being hollow, so a nice saving from front of car.

Every car needs a bit of DH green on it :D

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Also installed with new BMW CSL bushes and brackets.


Shall sort the rear tomorrow night which is also same colour, this was a very easy job to do, hardest bit was getting under tray of in my driveway, luckily had some home made wooden ramps so drive on those and then had enough height to get it off.
You need an 8mm deep socket for under tray, 13mm deep socket for anti roll bar bushing and a 17mm socket for drop links, nice and easy to do in the drive. :)
 
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Other than supercharging... there can't be much left now surely ? :D

Love the car gibbo, looking forward to the videos


Nope, though my mate is supercharging his this week, ES550 kit, the same guy who took me out a few weeks ago who was insanely quick around Donnington, car setup and good driver with laps consistently under 1:20 with traffic, very impressive for a full fat M3. Can't wait to see what his car will do with 550BHP. :eek:

In the meantime, enjoy this video:-

 
You had any issues with the boot floor/subframe mounting on yours? Im considering an E46 M3 next to replace the S14a, but im in the middle of repairing my friends boot floor on his E46 328 and its not a job I want to repeat! Are the M3 models stronger in any way?

Nope just as bad, inspect before you buy or buy one that is 2005 or newer as BMW offer 10yr goodwill warranty on boot floors as accept it was a design issue. :)

Mine however is fine, I check it after each track day.


P.S. I never mentioned, the brakes are absolutely bonkers, I thought my 911 on ceramics was good, these Alcons are even better and very noticeable so. :eek:
 
Came across this on Evolve's page, E46 M3 in VLN series, engines stock apart from remap/ecu tuning. Car is now entering Britcar series and hence why Evolve have it as they have put some cam's in it and more tuning:-





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how long till you get that spoiler gibbo ? :D

Won't be doing any aero on the car, watch that video and he duels with another E46 M3 for sometimes and in the corners the speeds seem no different, so the aero can't be doing much at all.

My track car is also a fun road/weekend car too, its not a full on track or time attack car it is something you can go to the shops in and run as a daily too. :)
 
Hi there

Here is a video from the last track day:-





Unfortunately though as great as the brakes were I was no faster, as my corner speeds were quite a bit lower than previous. As unfortunately I was running to high a pressure in the tyres and the rebound slightly to stiff which pretty much resulted in melting the tyres. The phrase they have gone over the cliff is pretty much how it felt, you can see from the video the rear-end is stepping out through Coppice at 100mph, something that is normally not an issue and when I was warming up earlier on in the day before I started to really use the brakes I was seeing 115mph through the whole of craners, in this video I was struggling to get beyond 105mph as the grip was not there. If tyres had of being working as they did previously when I was truly using the brakes, the car is now hovering around 1:21-1:22 with me driving, obviously with a pro driving then we are easily at sub 1:20 :)

Basically I was having to much fun, instead of looking after tyres I was staying out too long, running too high a pressure and quite literally melted them to the point they were costing me nearly 10mph through craners. Still even with this mistake I had great fun, I just need to learn how to manage tyres better.

If you listen to the video you will hear clunks and bangs, that is rubber coming off the rear tyres. :(

Not sure if the tyres have had it, am hoping a week of road driving might have cleaned them up, gonna inspect and if OK rotate them this week.

In short once these tyres have had it, these wheels shall be getting a set of Yoko V105 which shall be my wet track and road tyres. For dry track usage I shall be moving to slicks because at £100 a set they cost far less, are less prone to melt and give more grip.
 
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Don't discount the AD08R's for a wet/road tyre. They are a bit softer iirc and I find you can get heat into them when it's very wet. The V103/V105 is more of a road tyre and acts like it, so I'm told anyway.

Yokohama gave me some help when choosing racing tyres for this season (List 1B). In short, now using A048R mediums for dry/wet and AD08R for full wet (i.e. standing water).

If you only drive to and from the track, consider the A048R's. Best semi slick I've used and I've now tried 888's, D03G's and V70's. They grip incredibly well in the wet if you can get heat into them and with the weight of your car that should work.

Assuming it's used slicks at £100 a set, just watch for the number of heat cycles they have been through. A few of the guys who we race with run used slicks find them run down to the canvas after one race (12 mins or so) but at £20/£30 a pop they're happy with that. Get the right compound for the weight/use (i.e. no of laps) of the car or they won't work.

Just my 2p's worth but hope it helps. I've spent so much money/time trying to find the right balance on tyres and what works for one doesn't always work for another. When you get the right tyre for the application though it's nuts how much of a difference it makes.


Thanks m8.
Am thinking V105's as they will be mainly a road tyre, I shall be trying to avoid wet track days in the M3 as M3's no matter how well setup are simply not fast in wet conditions. If I pre-book a day and its wet I will just take the 911 as it excels in such conditions. :)

The AD08-R's do look great and from having the older AD08's I found getting heat into them is pretty easy unlike other semi-R tyres.

Yeah I was shocked at how the cups went off, they certainly don't like heat, combination of heavy car with very good brakes just seem to melt them. In the morning I was very happy to be seeing 110-115mph at the start of craners on the speedo and think bloody hell gonna be some great lap times when I've got to grips with the braking power. Alas once I had got to grips with the brakes and their ability I was struggling to see beyond 105mph at the start of craners, the tyres had literally fallen of a cliff. :(

Its not all fault of the tyres though, I had a mind block and was running the tyres 2-3psi above what Michelin recommend and what I ran on the last day and I'd set my rebound slightly stiffer than last time. In short that was a mistake, keep the Michelin at 30psi hot and leave the rebound at what KW suggest.

Still I had a great day and in hindsight was staying out to long, but it was a lot of fun.

On the slicks well luckily my mate get them for his car, same as mine an M3 and he get 3-4 trackdays usage and has no issues with them going off with heat and his car is same as mine but heavier. He is also a good driver and was doing 1:17's around Donnington, he is now super-charging his M3, so will be interesting on how quick it is once done. The slicks he gets of of the Porsche CUP cars fronts, which are Michelin in 240 and 250 sizes, 240 front and 250 rear on the stock M3 18" wheels. Works great for him so hopefully be good for me.

Only thing left on car now is a cage but greatly enjoying the car, gonna be doing a few days at Outlon as well once the cage is in. :)
 
Dude in the blue van at the track day..........

Yeah Telescopi (blue mini) was not to happy about that blue van. ;)
In fairness it cornered well, I am guessing its a project as it had brakes, wheels and AD08's so was clearly someone's project, with some more power it could be rather handy and could upset a lot of people when they are over-taken by a van on a track day. :D
 
You need to come racing mate :)

Supply me a car you don't mind me wrecking and I will. :D
Because the M3 is mine and my own hard earned put into making it, racing it with the high risk of someone collecting me or me throwing it off does not appeal.

If I was to do racing, I'd just want a cheap MX5, set of wheels with sticky rubber and uprated brakes, complete expense of say sub 2-3k, then if it gets destroyed its not end of world.
 
Hi there

Did alignment check today and reset bump and rebound to some new settings for road. Went from just under -3 front camber to around -2.5 as was seeing inner tyre on fronts wearing a little quicker.

Good news is my tyres were not melting, but because I do a lot of cooling laps off the racing line other rubber was moulding to them. A few big slides have cleared the rears and the fronts we cleaned the rubber off with a chisel.

So need to ensure I do less cooling off and stay on the racing line and only moving over when to let others pass. Wheels swapped front to rear so hopefully good for another 2-3 events. :)

Also on the road with new damper settings and now it's warmer the car feels very very good, so planted and hugely quick, but comfy as well. Car is sorted on both road and track. :)
 
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