"Just stop oil"

Why am I not surprised?
She has no affiliation to Just Stop Oil and I have not heard anything from legitimate sources that her protest was about the climate emergency. Her protest could equally have been about austerity or she just wanted to create a spectacle and didn't like Osborne.

Even if she were an eco protestor (which seemingly she was not) we are all flawed human beings, this does not detract from the totally valid underlying message that ~99% of the world's scientists agree on.


A spokesperson for Mr Osborne said they didn't believe it was a protest and that the individual didn't say anything.
 
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Do they though? If I was chuntering on about a 'climate crisis' and having the odd little protest I wouldn't be flying off round the world for a nice little holiday
She didn't though, she wasn't even a climate protestor. The Daily Mail are printing lies again unless you can show me evidence to the contrary.
 
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She has no affiliation to Just Stop Oil and I have not heard anything from legitimate sources that her protest was about the climate emergency. Her protest could equally have been about austerity.

Even she were an eco protestor (which seemingly she was not) we are all flawed human beings, this does not detract from the totally valid underlying message that ~99% of the world's scientists agree on.

They initially took responsibility and then backtracked when they started getting flak for it, way to stick to your principles - then again we know thet don't actually have any
 
..but there is far too much focus on the individual even in your post. The fossil fuel industry has been very good at redirecting our attention to the individual instead of the system and big corporations...

You are absolutely right. The government and companies manage to pass the blame on to the consumer without putting their own house in order. The consumer can only do so much by themselves.
 
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They initially took responsibility and then backtracked when they started getting flak for it, way to stick to your principles - then again we know thet don't actually have any
She didn't say anything in this supposed protest, read my post and the article please. She didn't have a Just Stop Oil uniform on, the only thing that reminded us all of them was the orange confetti.

It's a strange sort of protest given this, Just Stop Oil always say something and there has been no backtracking about her lack of affiliation to them that I've seen. They simply applauded the fact that she did it and then reiterated their message (there is no evidence she agrees with it).
 
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In what respect is she not a climate protestor?
If you read my post and don't selectively quote me (sorry, that's not your fault it's the forum's) then you will see that's what Osborne said. He is a firsthand witness after all.
 
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Hilarious.

I've worked in the oil & gas industry for over 20 years and continue to do so, however that doesn't make me blind to the issues.

Your response is indicative of the problem that JSO are trying to solve, albeit pretty poorly at the moment.
How can you work in such an industry though, knowing it's destroying the planet?
I do believe in climate change btw. But I do see (not aimed at you) an awful lot of hypocrisy around the issue.
 
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How can you work in such an industry though, knowing it's destroying the planet?
I do believe in climate change btw. But I do see (not aimed at you) an awful lot of hypocrisy around the issue.
That's what the fossil fuel industry want you to think. The reality is the protestors are just flawed human beings like the rest of us and are only trying to do their best in the face of great financial and political power.
 
If you read my post and don't selectively quote me (sorry, that's not your fault it's the forum's) then you will see that's what Osborne said. He is a firsthand witness after all.
No worries, the mail article is talking about a few years ago when she campaigned on "a climate crisis" and got elected to her local council and then buggered off to Thailand - I refuse to click a dail mail article but luckily there's ways round that!

An eco-protester who targeted George Osborne at his wedding can today be revealed as a former librarian and town councillor – who holidayed in Thailand a few months after declaring a ‘climate emergency’ in Somerset. Shelagh Day, 62, is a well-known campaigner in Bruton, Somerset, where she and Mr Osborne are both residents.

Last weekend, she caused uproar after showering the former Chancellor and his new wife Thea Rogers with orange confetti as they left St Mary’s Church following their nuptials.The stunt, in front of the Press, was a copycat version of Just Stop Oil’s use of orange paint and powder to disrupt sports events. The protest group initially appeared to claim responsibility for it, but backtracked after it was slammed by the public and condemned by both Tory and Labour MPs.

The Mail on Sunday tracked Ms Day, a divorcee, to her modest terrace home in Bruton on Wednesday. She answered the door and claimed: ‘It wasn’t me.’ But locals – including other town councillors – all identified her as the Osborne wedding protester, who evaded security to chuck confetti over the newlyweds. Residents said Ms Day was linked to One Planet Bruton, an environmental group that in 2019 successfully campaigned for Bruton Town Council to declare the town was in a ‘climate emergency’.

Six months after the declaration, Ms Day went on a three-week holiday to Thailand, according to a travel blog written by one of her friends. It is likely she made the 10,000-mile round-trip by aeroplane. If so, any such flight would have generated 3.3 tons of carbon emissions – equivalent to driving 18,500 miles in a typical petrol car. Ms Day also owns a small petrol hatchback.


Following her election to the town council in 2019, with 4 per cent of the vote, Ms Day was appointed to Bruton’s newly established Climate and Ecological Emergency Core Working Group. But a member of the working group said: ‘She never turned up to most of the meetings.’ She added: ‘One Planet Bruton has absolutely nothing to do with what she did at the wedding. She’s done this as a stand-alone thing. ‘In fact, as the wedding was getting under way, we were over in the community hall at one of our “stitch-it-don’t-ditch-it” events encouraging everyone to mend old clothes. We are not a campaigning group. We are just trying to encourage sustainable local community projects – like our recent planting-for-pollinators day to help wildlife.’ Another source, who worked with Ms Day during her three-year stint as a councillor, described her as ‘perpetually awkward.’

‘Nothing was ever quite right for her,’ they said. ‘She talked the talk but it mostly required others to walk the walk. I never saw her do much. I’m sure she’s proud of herself for showering George Osborne and his wife with orange confetti.

‘But, really? He’s been out of front-line politics for years. It was their wedding day. Grow up.’ Ms Day’s social media posts on Facebook and Twitter endorse radical eco-groups including Extinction Rebellion.

Last week, she retweeted a video by Just Stop Oil showing her dumping confetti on Mr and Mrs Osborne which was captioned: ‘You look good in orange @George_Osborne – congratulations to the newlyweds.’

But she denied she was the confetti thrower when approached by The Mail on Sunday.

‘I did turn up for the earlier bit,’ she said, adding: ‘But I wasn’t there for the actual ceremony. It wasn’t me. I wasn’t alone. I was with my friend Lisa and we left when they all went into church.’

Asked why so many local people had identified her as the culprit, she replied: ‘Well, people get things wrong.’
 
How can you work in such an industry though, knowing it's destroying the planet?
I do believe in climate change btw. But I do see (not aimed at you) an awful lot of hypocrisy around the issue.

If I'm a hypocrite for working in the industry, then you're a hypocrite for boiling the kettle or driving a car or painting your walls or taking medicine..

Spoiler: neither of us are hypocrites.

We need to move past that narrative; that's the point the protests are trying to get across. We're literally bickering with each other while the industry squeezes as much as they can regardless of the environmental cost and it continues to suppress the innovation we desperately require.

The fact that I saw what I recognised as a potential solution from a helicopter is just completely irrelevant.
 
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No worries, the mail article is talking about a few years ago when she campaigned on "a climate crisis" and got elected to her local council and then buggered off to Thailand - I refuse to click a dail mail article but luckily there's ways round that!

An eco-protester who targeted George Osborne at his wedding can today be revealed as a former librarian and town councillor – who holidayed in Thailand a few months after declaring a ‘climate emergency’ in Somerset. Shelagh Day, 62, is a well-known campaigner in Bruton, Somerset, where she and Mr Osborne are both residents.

Last weekend, she caused uproar after showering the former Chancellor and his new wife Thea Rogers with orange confetti as they left St Mary’s Church following their nuptials.The stunt, in front of the Press, was a copycat version of Just Stop Oil’s use of orange paint and powder to disrupt sports events. The protest group initially appeared to claim responsibility for it, but backtracked after it was slammed by the public and condemned by both Tory and Labour MPs.

The Mail on Sunday tracked Ms Day, a divorcee, to her modest terrace home in Bruton on Wednesday. She answered the door and claimed: ‘It wasn’t me.’ But locals – including other town councillors – all identified her as the Osborne wedding protester, who evaded security to chuck confetti over the newlyweds. Residents said Ms Day was linked to One Planet Bruton, an environmental group that in 2019 successfully campaigned for Bruton Town Council to declare the town was in a ‘climate emergency’.

Six months after the declaration, Ms Day went on a three-week holiday to Thailand, according to a travel blog written by one of her friends. It is likely she made the 10,000-mile round-trip by aeroplane. If so, any such flight would have generated 3.3 tons of carbon emissions – equivalent to driving 18,500 miles in a typical petrol car. Ms Day also owns a small petrol hatchback.


Following her election to the town council in 2019, with 4 per cent of the vote, Ms Day was appointed to Bruton’s newly established Climate and Ecological Emergency Core Working Group. But a member of the working group said: ‘She never turned up to most of the meetings.’ She added: ‘One Planet Bruton has absolutely nothing to do with what she did at the wedding. She’s done this as a stand-alone thing. ‘In fact, as the wedding was getting under way, we were over in the community hall at one of our “stitch-it-don’t-ditch-it” events encouraging everyone to mend old clothes. We are not a campaigning group. We are just trying to encourage sustainable local community projects – like our recent planting-for-pollinators day to help wildlife.’ Another source, who worked with Ms Day during her three-year stint as a councillor, described her as ‘perpetually awkward.’

‘Nothing was ever quite right for her,’ they said. ‘She talked the talk but it mostly required others to walk the walk. I never saw her do much. I’m sure she’s proud of herself for showering George Osborne and his wife with orange confetti.

‘But, really? He’s been out of front-line politics for years. It was their wedding day. Grow up.’ Ms Day’s social media posts on Facebook and Twitter endorse radical eco-groups including Extinction Rebellion.

Last week, she retweeted a video by Just Stop Oil showing her dumping confetti on Mr and Mrs Osborne which was captioned: ‘You look good in orange @George_Osborne – congratulations to the newlyweds.’

But she denied she was the confetti thrower when approached by The Mail on Sunday.

‘I did turn up for the earlier bit,’ she said, adding: ‘But I wasn’t there for the actual ceremony. It wasn’t me. I wasn’t alone. I was with my friend Lisa and we left when they all went into church.’

Asked why so many local people had identified her as the culprit, she replied: ‘Well, people get things wrong.’
I see, thank you. I need to practise what I preach about reading articles :cry:. However, according to that article she has denied responsibility for the wedding confetti and has said it's a case of mistaken identity. Someone else who looks a bit like her did it. I don't know what to believe given it's the Daily Mail and they have an agenda.

The fact whoever threw the confetti didn't say anything about the climate to Osborne or his bride and was not wearing anything related to the climate is strange given this article says that this particular campaigner is no shrinking violet.
 
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The people in charge are the problem, not the workers whose skills will be needed in the clean energy industry.

I was reminded today how much the industry is screwing us. There's not even a pretence anymore:

 
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Actually if everyone took responsibility for their emissions, stopped buying cheap **** from China, walked and cycled, used shears rather than hedge trimmers etc., etc. They would do far more than any government ever would.

I'm not spending twenty grand on a new heating system but I limit my power usage to less than £3 per day at current rates and £7 per day last winter.
 
The people in charge are the problem, not the workers whose skills will be needed in the clean energy industry.

I was reminded today how much the industry is screwing us. There's not even a pretence anymore:


The windfall tax brought us a mountain of work because if they didn't spend it on projects to increase production then they'd have had to pay it to the government in tax. It's a complete con.
 
Actually if everyone took responsibility for their emissions, stopped buying cheap **** from China, walked and cycled, used shears rather than hedge trimmers etc., etc. They would do far more than any government ever would.

You forgot the biggest one, Meat and Dairy, *gasp*

 
Actually if everyone took responsibility for their emissions, stopped buying cheap **** from China, walked and cycled, used shears rather than hedge trimmers etc., etc. They would do far more than any government ever would.

I'm not spending twenty grand on a new heating system but I limit my power usage to less than £3 per day at current rates and £7 per day last winter.

It isn't that simple - more than half the stuff I buy there simply isn't an alternative or where there is an alternative it is ludicrously expensive stuff where you are paying about 90% of the cost just for the brand name. We need massive infrastructure changes to make walking and cycling a reality more broadly and even then the shape of modern life has made modes of transport other than walking and cycling pretty much necessary. For example about half my colleagues have been priced out of housing near where the work, there aren't enough jobs around where they live, so they have no choice but to drive into work or to do any real shopping, etc. etc.
 
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I've been thinking about my boiler situation, because I know we're looking to all individuals to reduce their fossil fuel usage. It's just really problematic though, the air source heat pump just can't be the solution that gets us where we need to be. We need better technology. Here's my thought process so you can all rage at me while I'm watching Wimbledon.

My circumstances:
I have a 10 year old gas boiler and a hot water tank. I have a very well insulated modern house. The hot water tank is a problem because ultimately the heat ends up in the house and the house gets too hot. When my boiler dies I want to get a combi boiler instead and remove the hot water tank.

Side effects:
The immersion heater in the hot water tank is broken so that saves me fixing it. I could also use the storage space I'd get from removing the hot water tank. The boiler is right below my bedroom so when it clicks on in the morning to heat the hot water sometimes the noise wakes me up so it would be great for that to not happen anymore.

What I think the government want me to do:
When my boiler dies they want me to get an air source heat pump. This will require me to keep the hot water tank.

The air con situation:
I'll have to get split air con soon because summers are getting unbearable. The heat from the hot water tank will trigger the air con to turn on, which isn't good for my bills or the environment.

Longer term:
If I remove the hot water tank then at some point in the future I have no choice but to install a heat pump then I'll have ended up removing the hot water tank just to put it back again at a later date.
 
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