"Just stop oil"

Should make it one of those outlawed organisations.

We really do need a escape from new york prison style city more and more, maybe the isle of wight would be ok.
 
SPG said:
Should make it one of those outlawed organisations.

We really do need a escape from new york prison style city more and more, maybe the isle of wight would be ok.
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Surely just build a wall around Luton and chuck them in there? Although you're right, an Island works better.
 
d_brennen said:
I don't understand these protestors. We're doing it. Investment in renewables is increasing, petrol cars are in the process of being phased out. We're being taxed up to the eyeballs for green initiatives.
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A lot of what the British government is doing is just green-washing to keep up appearances. Giving promises about doing good things 10, 15 or 20 years in the future is one thing, actually doing them is something else. Meanwhile, they have recently approved the setting up of new gas/oil fields in the North Sea and the establishment of a new coal mine in Cumbria.

Furthermore, over the last year their latest hyped-up grant scheme retro-fitted far fewer poor people's homes with insulation than previous grant schemes did. Also, if they really wanted to turbo-charge domestic energy conservation and renewable energy production they could cut VAT to 0% at the point-of-purchase for insulation/renewable energy products rather than just for large expensive installations performed by licensed contractors and mandate a decent guaranteed minimum feed-in-tariff for domestic solar panel owners.

Here are some recent articles that discuss the government's many ongoing failings at tackling global warming:

Less than half of annual tree-planting target in England met, say MPs

UK should quit ‘climate-wrecking’ energy treaty, say official advisers

Revealed: UK plans to drop flagship £11.6bn climate pledge

UK missing climate targets on nearly every front, say government’s advisers

UK lagging behind in global race to decarbonise, says TUC leader

England ‘4,700 years from building enough onshore windfarms’

Ukraine built more onshore wind turbines in past year than England
 
Could have swallowed our brexit and taken special steels from within the EU (sweden ?) even though we legitimately didn't want to be beholdent to China,
similar deal with the the battery factory - you want brexit, this is the price of brexit ...

interesting analogy I heard between suffragettes and JSO ... or Greenham Common ?
 
Maple Leaf said:
A lot of what the British government is doing is just green-washing to keep up appearances. Giving promises about doing good things 10, 15 or 20 years in the future is one thing, actually doing them is something else. Meanwhile, they have recently approved the setting up of new gas/oil fields in the North Sea and the establishment of a new coal mine in Cumbria.

Furthermore, over the last year their latest hyped-up grant scheme retro-fitted far fewer poor people's homes with insulation than previous grant schemes did. Also, if they really wanted to turbo-charge domestic energy conservation and renewable energy production they could cut VAT to 0% at the point-of-purchase for insulation/renewable energy products rather than just for large expensive installations performed by licensed contractors and mandate a decent guaranteed minimum feed-in-tariff for domestic solar panel owners.

Here are some recent articles that discuss the government's many ongoing failings at tackling global warming:

Less than half of annual tree-planting target in England met, say MPs

UK should quit ‘climate-wrecking’ energy treaty, say official advisers

Revealed: UK plans to drop flagship £11.6bn climate pledge

UK missing climate targets on nearly every front, say government’s advisers

UK lagging behind in global race to decarbonise, says TUC leader

England ‘4,700 years from building enough onshore windfarms’

Ukraine built more onshore wind turbines in past year than England
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I recommend reading other news sources other than The Guardian. It's not good for your mental health.

Just on the point of new oil/gas/coal fields- surely its a good thing they are set up in the UK? The energy market is driven by demand, not supply, and if you accept the fact there is a demand for these products, isn't it better they be extracted within a region like the UK, that has (comparatively) robust environmental protection/H&S/business legislation in place?

I dont buy this 'set a good example' narrative. It's going to come from somewhere. Constraining the supply in the UK just means it comes from abroad.
 
Obviously they have got on the wrong side of the public, but I expect if they were just protesting sitting down like that on a pevement instead, they wouldnt have made any of the news, so they quite possibly see bad PR as better than no PR.
 
Tom_ed1987 said:
I recommend reading other news sources other than The Guardian. It's not good for your mental health.

Just on the point of new oil/gas/coal fields- surely its a good thing they are set up in the UK? The energy market is driven by demand, not supply, and if you accept the fact there is a demand for these products, isn't it better they be extracted within a region like the UK, that has (comparatively) robust environmental protection/H&S/business legislation in place?

I dont buy this 'set a good example' narrative. It's going to come from somewhere. Constraining the supply in the UK just means it comes from abroad.
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This, I’m all for transitioning away from burning fossil fuels but I’m under no illusion that we will be reliant on them for a long time to come.

Not using local sources of oil and gas is literally cutting your nose off to spite your face. Particularly when the alternatives include sourcing it from the Middle East and Russia.
 
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