Around where I live it is almost all oil fired boilers - when we moved here they'd just stopped some kind of subsidised scheme to replace them with heat pumps, I'm not really sure the details. Those who had air source ones installed as part of the scheme are really not happy with them - especially some have had large electricity bills, the ground source ones seem a bit better received. We really seem to make a muddled mess of this whole thing.
"Just stop oil"
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Around where I live it is almost all oil fired boilers - when we moved here they'd just stopped some kind of subsidised scheme to replace them with heat pumps, I'm not really sure the details. Those who had air source ones installed as part of the scheme are really not happy with them - especially some have had large electricity bills, the ground source ones seem a bit better received. We really seem to make a muddled mess of this whole thing.
Yup and you are preaching to the converted in that regard, I’m well on board with it and have put my own money where my keyboard is. However, what’s disappointing is how much flack my posts on this across 3 threads for setting out the reality and why this really isn’t the big deal it’s being made out to be.
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I'm just not sure how you believe a couple of new rigs will benefit us, more jobs on the rigs but how many ? Will new rigs be built or will they just refloat what they have ? doubt they'll be built in the UK, infrastructure is already there for refining and shipping so nothing new there, maybe pipeline to transport it but that's a short lived boost, maintenance, the oil corps already have crews for that, cost of oil isn't going to change for us, nor is much anything else, maybe a miniscule boost for Shetlands air travel industry ?
I can just as easily flip the question around and say I don’t see why you think this is an unmitigated environmental disaster when in reality the fossil fuels are going to be extracted and burnt anyway. So we get all the negative economic impacts of importing them and the irony that doing so produces even more emissions.
If the licences are ultimately utilised, it’s being extracted because it’s going to be used, not because it’s there. The supply and demand of fossil fuels is very closely matched for obvious reasons. It keeps the price up but more importantly, you can’t store the volume of what consumed very easily.
If the licences are ultimately utilised, it’s being extracted because it’s going to be used, not because it’s there. The supply and demand of fossil fuels is very closely matched for obvious reasons. It keeps the price up but more importantly, you can’t store the volume of what consumed very easily.
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Exactly. The same amount of fossil fuels will be burned between now and whenever we get to net 0 emissions. Only these protestors want this oil imported, with all the economic and environmental damage that entails. They're smart enough to run for government
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So by this argument we as one of the richest countries in the world should do nothing, lol!
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We like to blather about informed decision making and the science and all that good stuff. Well how about we cannot replace oils and gas in the short term. We need them for fertilisers, pesticides, plastics, pharmaceuticals, steel making, concrete making, aviation, refrigeration, electricity generation and myriad of other things. Bio-tech may reduce the fertiliser and pesticide demand in time. Electricity is probably the easiest to transition but some of those others are difficult. We need oil and gas and wishing it weren't so isn't going to change anything. I fail to see how a strategy of paying despots to transport them a long distance to us is more ethical than extracting them ourselves. Also some transition technologies like Blue Hydrogen require fossil fuels and can reasonably be expected to be a damn site easier to achieve than CCS.
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So we should continue belching out cO2 while telling the rest of the world global warming is their problem and they need to fix it for our benefit right I got you.
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Once again just stop oils argument isn’t that we stop oil production it is that we stop handing out new licenses there is already enough licensed production in the North Sea for the near future handing out 100’s of licenses to increase production that will kick in in ten to fifteen years time is the issue they are protesting. All the things you list don’t need nothing like our current levels of consumption.
The government are trying to make it look like they are tackling the current cost of living crisis by increasing oil production (in 10-15 years time) and trying to gain Scottish vote share by propping up the oil industry with carbon capture.
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Global oil demand will increase, in 10 years it will be higher than now.
To maintain current levels of production, we need to exploit new areas continuously.
Stopping new licenses in the UK is just effecting the UK industry/employment, and shifting it elsewhere.
If however you stop new licenses globally, then what you will do is increase the cost of energy to such extreme levels you'll cause the greatest economic collapse in all of human history.
Did i say that ? No, but right i got you.
well, if we hadn't had the just stop nuclear movement for the last 40 years, maybe we wouldn't need the oil.
Again, it's easy to be self-righteous and complain about the problems without giving a solution.
How about we stop giving away our oil to private companies and use the profits to implement greener projects alongside it.
Again, it's easy to be self-righteous and complain about the problems without giving a solution.
How about we stop giving away our oil to private companies and use the profits to implement greener projects alongside it.
we're not giving the oil away there is a windfall tax etc. you could perhaps argue we don't value it highly enough though and should try and preserve it for future UK generations
or restrict it's use to plastics etc. and no more burning.
100's of licenses Despite the click bate number of licenses - they don't seem to have said what the probable oil/gas volume that they will provide is.
seems there were 900 available
www.nstauthority.co.uk
and 115 bids
www.nstauthority.co.uk
probably not on zoopla looks like one area https://datanstauthority.blob.core....STA_33rd_Round_GT_WEST_SOLE_AREA_CLUSTER2.pdf
has ~500bcf of gas reserve, if you can get it all out which is 90mmboe
and we import annuallly 150mmboe of LNG currently , 500mmboe total use
or restrict it's use to plastics etc. and no more burning.
100's of licenses Despite the click bate number of licenses - they don't seem to have said what the probable oil/gas volume that they will provide is.
seems there were 900 available
NSTA launches 33rd Offshore Oil and Gas Licensing Round
www.nstauthority.co.uk
33rd Round attracts 115 bids across 258 blocks or part-blocks
www.nstauthority.co.uk
probably not on zoopla looks like one area https://datanstauthority.blob.core....STA_33rd_Round_GT_WEST_SOLE_AREA_CLUSTER2.pdf
has ~500bcf of gas reserve, if you can get it all out which is 90mmboe
and we import annuallly 150mmboe of LNG currently , 500mmboe total use
So what is the point of it then.. we're still going to use oil in 10 - 15 years' time, they just want us to be more reliant on imports? How is that beneficial?
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I'm of the stance "we shouldn't be burning it at all" not "if we're burning it, may as well burn the stuff closer to us" though so I don't see any justification for opening new fields when we should focused on reducing consumption really
Heatpumps are never going to take off unless the government foots the whole bill. They are rubbish at actually heating and cost 5 figures to install. Who can afford that, especially now. Most people have nothing left at the end of the month. The project is DOA. Almost all of the 30k being installed per year (out of the 600k needed to reach targets) are new builds.
They will ban new gas boilers in 12 years, at which point everyone will go out and buy oil or fan heaters and reinstall immersion tanks when their gas boiler dies. Taking us back to the 70s and making the energy usage even worse.
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They'll only be worth it if the cost of electric becomes much cheaper than the cost of gas.
If the ~g10p/e30p balance we have now shifts to a g30p/e10p balance, then heating via electric will catch on very quickly.
The just stop oil lot could be up in Scotland planting a billion trees and rewilding the highlands for the offset, and then at least when the oil runs out we can give every household a tree a year to keep warm.
Trouble is, there isn't the photo ops to look smug up there, and that's the paradox people don't like being told to stop something, but it gives them the attention, go and actually do something good and nobody cares.
Trouble is, there isn't the photo ops to look smug up there, and that's the paradox people don't like being told to stop something, but it gives them the attention, go and actually do something good and nobody cares.