"Just stop oil"

R3dRaven said:
Don't have a problem with it? Until it affects you yeah ?

Flights cancelled, money lost, holidays ruined. Some family's save all year to go on one holiday and these absolute chimps ruin it for them.
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From what I've seen reported so far it just caused a bit of disruption no flights cancelled or people's holidays ruined, etc. that would be another thing again.

I can't say it would unduly bother me, if there was an issue important enough, if I suffered some slight inconvenient disruption due to protesting.
 
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Its getting out of hand now - wont be too long before the public take their own action against these self-entitled idiots and one of them ends up getting injured or worse.

Trying to disrupt people flying off on holiday just adds itself to a long list of stuff that makes you very unpopular.
 
It's just a matter of time before someone pulls out a pew pew/stabby stabby and uses it. Or someone just keeps going forward in a truck. Surprised it hasn't happened so far.
 
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Rroff said:
From what I've seen reported so far it just caused a bit of disruption no flights cancelled or people's holidays ruined, etc. that would be another thing again.
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If JSO started hacking like Crowdstrike though, assuming they didn't have a man on the inside ; extinction rebellion, similarly, using old technology.
 
Its deffo a cult
I saw something and they are vetted quite hard including a big push about if they are conscious they will likely do time.

Those getting off on this lot getting time do look rather sad when that fact is known.

If only we could have a rational conversation about climate change, but there are just too many deniers about and whilst that remains we will see more action.
I think it will escalate personally. If your handing out sentences at the harsh end of the scale we need to expect them to do actions that match the sentences.

We are already seeing more direct action because of the anti protest laws being used to try to stop most protests.
 
Hmmm there are different types or deniers and believers in the UK, does this summarise it :-

Climate fanatics - the likes of JSO
Man made believers - general populous who believe climate change is man made and we are doing what we can, plus do their own bit to help
Believers - those who believe climate change is happening but always has and always will happen, regardless of what we do, it will happen anyway
Deniers - these are like the fanatics but on the opposite end of the scale

I would say most people in the UK are taken up but the middle two.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Its deffo a cult
I saw something and they are vetted quite hard including a big push about if they are conscious they will likely do time.

Those getting off on this lot getting time do look rather sad when that fact is known.

If only we could have a rational conversation about climate change, but there are just too many deniers about and whilst that remains we will see more action.
I think it will escalate personally. If your handing out sentences at the harsh end of the scale we need to expect them to do actions that match the sentences.

We are already seeing more direct action because of the anti protest laws being used to try to stop most protests.
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We have been having a rational conversation about climate change, for decades. Things are happening, but it takes time unless people are willing to go back to pre-industrial lifestyles overnight and all the chaos that would cause, there is no fast fix.

These JSO protesters all seem to be wearing the most synthetic clothing possible, hair dye, jewelry etc. All the trappings of what they want destroyed. It's like they have no clue what they are protesting about
 
SupraWez said:
Hmmm there are different types or deniers and believers in the UK, does this summarise it :-

Climate fanatics - the likes of JSO
Man made believers - general populous who believe climate change is man made and we are doing what we can, plus do their own bit to help
Believers - those who believe climate change is happening but always has and always will happen, regardless of what we do, it will happen anyway
Deniers - these are like the fanatics but on the opposite end of the scale

I would say most people in the UK are taken up but the middle two.
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I fit in the "Believers" category of the 4 you list there.
 
Tombstone said:
I fit in the "Believers" category of the 4 you list there.
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Same.

Of course it's changing, and of course we are impacting it. To what extent, difficult to measure. Considering the tilt of the earth is enough to cause seasons which cause us going from averaging 20C in the summer to 5C in the winter. The tilt of the earth isn't constant, the distance between the earth and the sun isn't constant, the energy output of the sun isn't constant. It's all cyclic/changing constantly. To me those things are far more impactful than what we do. It's just this anthropocentric belief these people have that we are the cause of everything. It's almost quasi-religious, the 'Jews were the chosen people according to God', 'believers in God/Allah will go to heaven' etc etc., these people think they're the chosen people too...

However I am massively skeptical of a lot of the fearmongering simply because it is a massive industry, probably in the trillions now, and of course mega corps, governments etc. have never lied about things to make more money in the past, right? Leaded fuel, oil and gas, diesel cars, smoking, the list goes on - I'm sure they all had the backing of 'science' too. Why do people think this time it's any different?

Of course it's a problem/issue, and we should do our part but I don't buy into the fearmongering/catastrophizing that goes on.
 
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imo the truth is a bit from column 2 and a bit from column 3. the planet does naturally cool and warm in cycles. the problem is it is happening at a far faster rate than it would do if it were natural... also iirc i am sure i read somewhere we are meant to be on a cooling part of the cycle at the moment not a warming one.

presumably if we were on a warming part of the cycle it would be even worse.

yes changes are being made to reduce our emissions, but what frustrates me is the easy stuff is happening so damn slowly (new houses with no solar and still having gas heating for instance).

Also global warming has been known about since the very early 1980s.

had slight changes been made then then it would have made the transition so much easier. imo every year that change isnt made, all it does is promise that ultimately the change that needs to be done will become more and more disruptive.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
the problem is it is happening at a far faster rate than it would do if it were natural...
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How on earth can they possibly know that to be true? How long has the earth existed, how long have we had accurate reliable records for the temperature of various locations on Earth?

Also what is with this incredibly strange belief that we, and our behaviours, are not 'natural'. As if we aren't just another animal on this planet. Again, it comes down to quasi-religious beliefs.

but what frustrates me is the easy stuff is happening so damn slowly (new houses with no solar and still having gas heating for instance).
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Completely agree by the way. No idea why it hasn't been made a legal requirement for new homes to have solar + batteries. Well of course that means they might not have to pay for electricity... that's not good!
 
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Mason- said:
How on earth can they possibly know that to be true? How long has the earth existed, how long have we had accurate reliable records for the temperature of various locations on Earth?

Also what is with this incredibly strange belief that we, and our behaviours, are not 'natural'. As if we aren't just another animal on this planet. Again, it comes down to quasi-religious beliefs.
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Good job we have scientists who actually understand how thing work and have developed robust methodology for testing this.

For example we can measure how much CO2 was in the air hundreds if not thousands of years ago today by drilling into the ice caps and testing the ice which formed at those times.
 
Mason- said:
Also what is with this incredibly strange belief that we, and our behaviours, are not 'natural'. As if we aren't just another animal on this planet. Again, it comes down to quasi-religious beliefs.
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Climate Change, Donald Trump, Hyper Consumerism, Poltical Correctness etc. are all obsessions which are not much different to religious beliefs.

People think a world free of religion will bring enlightenment to the masses but the truth is the masses find even dumber things to obsess with.

It's human nature.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
Good job we have scientists who actually understand how thing work and have developed robust methodology for testing this.

For example we can measure how much CO2 was in the air hundreds if not thousands of years ago today by drilling into the ice caps and testing the ice which formed at those times.
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Great, so now you know how much CO2 was at the ice caps. What about on the rest of Earth?
 
Mason- said:
How on earth can they possibly know that to be true? How long has the earth existed, how long have we had accurate reliable records for the temperature of various locations on Earth?
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there are whole degrees done on the study of it.... not my area of expertise but I trust those who are experts.

and we are very different to other animals on the planet , no other animal has radically altered the planet in the way that we have (actually that isnt quite true but i am talking about higher animals, I am not going to argue about bacteria or simple organisms with you)....... I would say Religion is not even close to climate science.
 
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Mason- said:
How on earth can they possibly know that to be true? How long has the earth existed, how long have we had accurate reliable records for the temperature of various locations on Earth?

Also what is with this incredibly strange belief that we, and our behaviours, are not 'natural'. As if we aren't just another animal on this planet. Again, it comes down to quasi-religious beliefs.
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There's ice cores and such which map out the composition of the earth's atmosphere. It's changed a lot, both colder and far warmer. Who knows, even if we "fixed" climate change by 2100, a super volcano could undo it all in hours!

We've ended countless species over the millennia, and will continue to while people are people. Climate change will just be something we need to adapt to in the short/mid term. Nature may well sort it out for us, by massively thinning the population of humans.
 
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