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Consequences for your actions, there is a novelty. For too long people have felt empowered to take the **** because of weak sentencing. "Dont do the crime, if you cant do the time "
"Just stop oil"
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That last part is fundamental re: the previous outcry re: sentencing a few weeks ago - they're ostensibly "prisoners of conscience" but, they don't act like it! The previous lot re: the M25 disruption could have pled guilty and just accepted the consequences of the actions they don't deny being a part of but instead they irritated the judge by trying to pull all sorts of shenanigans in the courtroom - essentially turning the defence into a charade of climate change lectures in the hope they could get some of the jurors to go for jury nullification. That backfired and they ended up with longer sentences than if they'd simply pled guilty and said it was because of their cause etc.
I doubt it very much, the Secret Barrister is a woke lefty type.
Just another extremist group that go wrong way about things, pee the public off and you only get opposition..
What they want will punish the poorer people, climate change is real but not everyone can afford the hit to their pockets.
What they want will punish the poorer people, climate change is real but not everyone can afford the hit to their pockets.
Soldato
No why should museums have onerous entry systems like metal detectors that everybody is coralled through.
I went to Liverpool a week or so ago and visited the Walker art gallery as we had a spare hour or two before the bus. It was a peaceful experience wandering in and looking at paintings. No obtrusive security and nor should there be.
If people deliberately act up as these did it should be they that face security not the average person minding their own business.
Well I’d happily accept the argument that they ‘shouldn’t’ but they ‘should’ because of ‘people’.
I shouldn’t have to lock my front door but people.
I should be able to leave my phone on a park bench and come back to it a week later but people.
As ever the minority spoil it for the majority and if you have priceless paintings what’s a few minutes wait while they pass you through a metal detector.
But yes it’s a real shame they would have to.
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Soldato
Absolutely not. Certainly not a reliable friend of the left.
Really, a fairly dispassionate technocrat, deferential to the law regardless of it's underlying morality.
Caporegime
If these selfish egotists continue to act as they have been, such measures will be required much more widely. Some exhibits and places already have them, but this will make it worse.
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Soldato
TBH It is not that hard to spot most of them and those that almost look like members of society can be just added to a database of faces that either smart camera's pick up, or on tablets held by entry staff.
This would be from Known members!
This would be from Known members!
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^ if only! apart from the fact that actually these protestors are drawn from a surprisingly wide cross section of society (students, priest, retired Drs and teacher?!)Should we really go down the route of surveilance at public venues for those who might actively protest?
Soldato
It works in shopping areas and small towns in the case of known shoplifters, so why not for those causing Criminal damage and a breach of the peace.
Soldato
Edited my post above.
I was hoping you didn't think I was meaning to take a photo of everyone in the UK...
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Soldato
I was invited to join them once. I do have pretty strong views on Climate Change. But, as I said to them, they're doing it wrong.
I get it, the activists are desperate to get their message across .... but the masses already know the message. The real problem is that the masses don't want to change their way of life, and for sure, annoying them won't make them want to change.
The laws are extreme in the UK now, but the activists brought this on themselves. They are good people, but they are misguided people. If it needs prison to stop them causing damage and harm then so be it.
I get it, the activists are desperate to get their message across .... but the masses already know the message. The real problem is that the masses don't want to change their way of life, and for sure, annoying them won't make them want to change.
The laws are extreme in the UK now, but the activists brought this on themselves. They are good people, but they are misguided people. If it needs prison to stop them causing damage and harm then so be it.
and I hope that you don't think that I am against using technology to assist policing 
Actually the company I work for has cameras to monitor Low Traffic Neighbourhoods, these locations are residential rather than commercial so there are unique opportunities to use the camera network to do more than just look at number plates. The company is exploring partnerships for other uses such as big data collection (eg the flow of people through locations throughout the day), private security (to enhance neighbourhood watch schemes), enforcement for councils (fines for parking, bin collection)
Actually the company I work for has cameras to monitor Low Traffic Neighbourhoods, these locations are residential rather than commercial so there are unique opportunities to use the camera network to do more than just look at number plates. The company is exploring partnerships for other uses such as big data collection (eg the flow of people through locations throughout the day), private security (to enhance neighbourhood watch schemes), enforcement for councils (fines for parking, bin collection)
We have 25000 people through our doors on a good day. The queues can be over four hours long. No chance we're implementing that level of security.
No, I'm not. In my utopia they'd be peeling potatoes for the rest of eternity.
Soldato
and I hope that you don't think that I am against using technology to assist policing
Actually the company I work for has cameras to monitor Low Traffic Neighbourhoods, these locations are residential rather than commercial so there are unique opportunities to use the camera network to do more than just look at number plates. The company is exploring partnerships for other uses such as big data collection (eg the flow of people through locations throughout the day), private security (to enhance neighbourhood watch schemes), enforcement for councils (fines for parking, bin collection)
Not at all
I'm very much in favour of what you are doing and would like to see it being used more and more across the country *
* To answer the possible future replies - I am of the opinion that if you have nothing to hide, then these camera's and the like will not bother you and may even be helpful.
With lube
Caporegime
I would not be the least bit surprised to learn that there is oil money among their funders. It's hard to think of a more effective way of undermining support for action on climate change than the actions of these numpties.