"Just stop oil"

Feek said:
What a hypocrite she is..

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Just Stop Oil spokesperson has racked up thousands of air miles

Indigo Rumbelow, 28, has apparently enjoyed breaks in Sweden, Lithuania, Croatia and other beauty spots abroad.
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This is missing the point, we've all been on a plane and none of us are saints. It has nothing to do with the required action from governments. Do people want to live in collapsing civilisation or something?

Governments and corporations are the problem not individuals. Tackling them is the solution.
 
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Feek said:
What a hypocrite she is..

www.dailymail.co.uk

Just Stop Oil spokesperson has racked up thousands of air miles

Indigo Rumbelow, 28, has apparently enjoyed breaks in Sweden, Lithuania, Croatia and other beauty spots abroad.
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Most are like this, they tell other what they should be doing but do not follow what they preach. Typical middle-class rebellion, if she really believed in what she preaches, she would not fly, all they want is to get in the papers for both job and social impact, to have an achievement.
Give it 10 years and she will be driving an Audi or BMW or Land Rover SUV, not caring for any road users or pedestrians.
 
ltron said:
This is missing the point, we've all been on a plane and none of us are saints. It has nothing to do with the required action from governments. Do people want to live in collapsing civilisation or something?

Governments and corporations are the problem not individuals. Tackling them is the solution.
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Individuals are the problem; corporations just take advantage of the social situation for profits.
 
Feek said:
What a hypocrite she is..
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seems too always be the case with these people
I'm guessing they are all indoctrinated to the point that they think global warming is imminent and the world will collapse in their lifetime.
best all the plebs get put in their place now to secure these peoples futures.


It's the only explanation for them screaming like daleks

Mrwong said:
Individuals are the problem; corporations just take advantage of the social situation for profits.
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The same corporations that manipulate people's way of life you mean.

the ones who lead us down this path in the first place.

quick it's almost christmas, easter or whatever holiday get spending and buy all our tat.

is there ever a time when people can just be happy with what they have? quick everyone thew newest model is due out now, your old stuff is outdated tat destined for the rubbish bin, better replace it now.


How many celebs got shamed for wearing the same outfit more than once? then people act surprised when we have throw away fashion.


if it;s the peoples fault then that's only because the average person listens to all the adverts and other crap they are bombarded with each day
 
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arknor said:
seems too always be the case with these people
I'm guessing they are all indoctrinated to the point that they think global warming is imminent and the world will collapse in their lifetime.
best all the plebs get put in their place now to secure these peoples futures.


It's the only explanation for them screaming like daleks


The same corporations that manipulate people's way of life you mean.

the ones who lead us down this path in the first place.

quick it's almost christmas, easter or whatever holiday get spending and buy all our tat.

is there ever a time when people can just be happy with what they have? quick everyone thew newest model is due out now, your old stuff is outdated tat destined for the rubbish bin, better replace it now.


How many celebs got shamed for wearing the same outfit more than once? then people act surprised when we have throw away fashion.


if it;s the peoples fault then that's only because the average person listens to all the adverts and other crap they are bombarded with each day
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It is the individual for being weak or to show off, corporation just take advantage.
Why is it that I don't have any apple products, i can afford it but refuse to buy apple.
 
arknor said:
How many celebs got shamed for wearing the same outfit more than once? then people act surprised when we have throw away fashion.
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This is something that doesn't get touched on as much as some areas, the fashion industry accounts for between 2-10% of all global emissions.

I mean it's not the reason that I often where the same crap over and over but still #fashionmartyr
 
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robgmun said:
Not to take the thread too off topic, but I noticed the world losing there mind about 2015/2016, I think the combination of Trump/Brexit and Boris (along with some right-wing leaders winning in Europe) scared the living crap out of the mental liberal types and thought there was some sort of attack on their values. Hence the rise of SJW's/Woke/Metoo/BLM/GamerGate/Trans/LGBTQ+ etc trying to fight a culture war that didn't exist. Sure there were these things before but mostly they were ignored, thought of as the crazy minority and most people just got on with there lives.

But the last several years they held a bullhorn to our faces and now we're utterly sick of it, I noticed the last Pride/Black history month was barely referenced and noticed. Looks like the normal everyday folk just got fed up with it all and like most passing Fads just phase out. Even media which has been woke to the point of absurdity seems to have grandully gotten better in the last 6 months. JL Christmas ad is the most unwoke seen in years and a lot of TV series are less woke than before.
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Have you just complained about people "holding a bullhorn to your face" by "holding a bullhorn to my face"? :D
 
arknor said:
I'm guessing they are all indoctrinated to the point that they think global warming is imminent and the world will collapse in their lifetime.
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They just don't seem to understand this is how most people see them:
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ltron said:
This is missing the point, we've all been on a plane and none of us are saints. It has nothing to do with the required action from governments. Do people want to live in collapsing civilisation or something?

Governments and corporations are the problem not individuals. Tackling them is the solution.
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You don't seem to have any coherent argument here - tackling them in regards to what? Governments and corporations are made up of people, is she genuinely wants to stop oil what is she doing getting on long-distance flights?

What do you think is happening now re: the energy/cost of living crisis? We could literally address that overnight if a big % of the population just minimised their use of electricity, unnecessary journeys etc. back in reality the government had better make sure power stays on or it will be very unpopular.
 
ltron said:
This is missing the point, we've all been on a plane and none of us are saints. It has nothing to do with the required action from governments. Do people want to live in collapsing civilisation or something?

Governments and corporations are the problem not individuals. Tackling them is the solution.
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Grow up. Governments follow public opinion and corporations sell stuff that people want to buy.

Increasing oil and gas is a direct result of fuel prices going through the roof due to the war in Ukraine. You really expect the Government to force a cut in production and allow prices to go even higher? Forget 'murdering babies' you'll have pensioners and other vulnerable people freezing in their homes.
 
Bug One said:
Grow up. Governments follow public opinion and corporations sell stuff that people want to buy.

Increasing oil and gas is a direct result of fuel prices going through the roof due to the war in Ukraine. You really expect the Government to force a cut in production and allow prices to go even higher? Forget 'murdering babies' you'll have pensioners and other vulnerable people freezing in their homes.
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They can incentivise changes in behaviour through changes to regulations, taxes and through subsidies. E.g. a home insulation programme, a home and community buildings solar panel programme.

They can also institute a carbon credit programme where the super rich who consume much more than ordinary people either pay for it or they reduce their consumption. That money is redistributed and is invested in clean energy programmes. This will not raise prices, in fact it will lower them. High prices of fossil fuels and our high demand for them are the reason for high bills.

We also need to decouple wholesale energy prices from the price of natural gas, it's insane we are paying the same for electricity generated from wind power as for that from natural gas when the former is 9 times cheaper to produce.

Stop giving subsidies to those creating the problem (fossil fuel companies) and tax their war profiteering blood money. If you are going to do opt-outs, as Sunak did for such a windfall tax, then make sure they invest significantly in clean energy projects rather than the token amount they put in for the purposes of greenwashing now. If they refuse and continue to stop progress then they/the oil and gas fields should be nationalised and the money forcibly invested in the correct places.
 
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Is that post meant to be rhetorical? You're literally listing things that have been done, already exist, or are in the process of being done.

You're also being quite inconsistant. You say Governments can incentivise through regulation, taxation and subsidies. The same goes for dealing with energy prociders. The green price guarantee was designed to incentivise energy companies to invest in wind and solar.

tax their war profiteering blood money
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BP lost $20.4bn by pulling out of Russia. Hardly profiteering. EDF are currently investing 19bn of the 20bn needed to build a new nuclear plant at Sizewell. Should we wait for them to build it first before forcibly seizing it off them. I'm sure the French would love that. Seizing all the Shell and ExxonMobil offshore gas fields in the North Sea would go down well internationally as well. That 'special relationship' wasn't worth anything anyways.

Whilst we're at it, why not seize all the PFI hospitals. Take back control.

I think you've got a future in politics.
 
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Ahleckz said:
Who’s on about stopping using oil? You’re just misrepresenting their claims. They want to stop new licenses being granted, which aren’t likely to provide any oil for at least a decade. we have plenty of oil in the ground for essential industries to continue using them whilst we look at better alternatives.
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What do you think happens is we stop drilling?,
 
Ahleckz said:
Who’s on about stopping using oil? You’re just misrepresenting their claims. They want to stop new licenses being granted, which aren’t likely to provide any oil for at least a decade. we have plenty of oil in the ground for essential industries to continue using them whilst we look at better alternatives.
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I take it that, in support of the cause you'll be leaving your heating off this winter?
 
Hagar said:
The only sensible solution is power stations off planet. All that free solar and radiation in near space. Huge thousands of square miles sails to capture the stuff.

We would need to retain hydrocarbon technologies to get it all up there. ;)
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It would be a sensible solution if it was possible. It isn't, so it isn't. It might become possible at some point in the future, but not soon and definitely not soon enough.
 
Bug One said:
I take it that, in support of the cause you'll be leaving your heating off this winter?
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No, but I’ll be lobbying my MP to increase grants for better insulation and boilers and suggesting they are paid for by greater taxes on fossil fuel companies and energy providers who aren’t investing in renewables.
What are you doing to help mitigate the climate emergency our government accept we have?
I also don’t have any children, and have a predominately vegan diet so if you want to play top trumps I’m sure I’ll do ok.
 
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