"Just stop oil"

All fossil fuels are going to eventually be drilled from the ground. Nothing will permanently prevent this from happening. What a futile movement.
 
RossGReds said:
All fossil fuels are going to eventually be drilled from the ground. Nothing will permanently prevent this from happening. What a futile movement.
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Stopping the use of fossil fuel because it's the right thing to do will sadly be unlikely to happen until the cost of renewables is cheaper.

Will this happen in time? That's the big question.
 
I am a bit on the fence about protestors after the Grand National. I know a few people who "own" race horses (and no, you don't have to be mega rich to have a financial share in one, although they rarely say they just own a percentage of one).

I know enough about horse racing to give the protestors considerable moral support. I have actually gone so far as to have looked in to how to help finance them. From a tight barsteward that is an unusual search....

Sadly they're mainly a very rag tag bunch, tenuously aligned to a myriad of other protest causes, with various random political and welfare allegiances that I do not want to help finance, so have reluctantly decided to give that a swerve and buy more beer..

But I did become uncomfortably aware of my fickleness about protests, and somewhat shamefully publicly admit that here :)
 
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Diddums said:
Correct, and yet this is a global problem, we're not exclusive. Yet we are still one of the best economies in the world with some of the best educational institutions in existence, all of which could help produce solutions to our problems, using bright minds from all over the world.
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Apart from maths, we all suck at maths
 
dave28 said:
no need to trash the tables, low in my view
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Protest that doesn’t cause genuine disruption is a waste of time though so even if you don’t agree with them you have to admire the determination to actually do something while most of us sit by waiting for someone else to fix the problems.
 
Why are infinite energy sources, wind, solar, tide called 'renewables'. Seems counterintuitive to me. Renewables sounds like something you have to keep extracting, like coal, oil and gas.

Language is a funny thing.
 
RossGReds said:
All fossil fuels are going to eventually be drilled from the ground. Nothing will permanently prevent this from happening. What a futile movement.
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Well the flip side to that is that they will run out.

Which means you have to develop alternatives whether you like it or not.

Given we know the harm of reliance on these finite energy sources, why not switch sooner rather than later?

The only argument against is, "Let's kick the can down the road and make it the problem of some future generation. Fossil fuel is nice and cheap and that's good for me in the here and now."
 
I have nothing against protesters, they are only doing something they believe in. What I don't get is why people like security, event staff, and even the public, think they have some sort of right to then assault them.
 
LeeUK said:
I have nothing against protesters, they are only doing something they believe in. What I don't get is why people like security, event staff, and even the public, think they have some sort of right to then assault them.
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Because protest is fine by itself. Stand by the road with placards shouting at motorists or racegoers whatever that is all perfectly legal and quite probably justified in many cases.

It is direct action to disrupt business or people's enjoyment even their hospital visits that get people's goat. Who are these people whose desire is to glue themselves to something, road surface, work of art, Aintree fence? Who are they to throw paint, powder or water based and ruin a day out for Joe public. He or she is not going to be won over to the cause when they are just following a legally ordained pursuit.

If they lose a bit of skin or are manhandled away from the scene, surely it is all for the cause?
 
LeeUK said:
I have nothing against protesters, they are only doing something they believe in. What I don't get is why people like security, event staff, and even the public, think they have some sort of right to then assault them.
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We all have the right to fall back on violence if that's what it ultimately takes to protect our 'stuff' (& ill include the right to lawfully travel about the country in this definition of stuff)
 
Feek said:
What does snooker have to do with oil?
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I suspect the security is less strict than the premier League football matches that they disrupted and I'd expect them to focus on lesser sports that get decent exposure to 'help' get their cause seen by a larger audience.
 
FoxEye said:
Well the flip side to that is that they will run out.

Which means you have to develop alternatives whether you like it or not.

Given we know the harm of reliance on these finite energy sources, why not switch sooner rather than later?

The only argument against is, "Let's kick the can down the road and make it the problem of some future generation. Fossil fuel is nice and cheap and that's good for me in the here and now."
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Thats not the argument, the argument is there is no alternative and if you keep reducing fossil fuels in this way, you will simply increase the cost of living, going further than our current situation and starvation begins to set in.

The issue is you think we can simply switch but we cannot switch.

Oil will not run out, what will happen is, as tech improves in all areas, the use of fossil fuels will decline for energy production along with all the other uses.
 
These guys are getting more and more moronic.

A snooker tournament lol. Probably one of the least polluting activities there are.
 
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Derek W said:
I suspect the security is less strict than the premier League football matches that they disrupted and I'd expect them to focus on lesser sports that get decent exposure to 'help' get their cause seen by a larger audience.
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Less chance of getting a good hiding too I'll bet.
 
LeeUK said:
I have nothing against protesters, they are only doing something they believe in. What I don't get is why people like security, event staff, and even the public, think they have some sort of right to then assault them.
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They don't! I wish they were a bit stronger with them!
 
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