Katie Hopkins Sacked

ianh said:
Anyway, Twitter made their choice. They no longer host her and she can now say all the horrible stuff on other SM without being fought on it, what a "win" that is.
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Well, yes that is a "win". Since Twitter weren't trying to ban her from saying anything ever again, just not use their platform to do it, it's 100% success. I can't imagine they are concerned about where ever or whatever she does in the future as it is irrelevant to them.

And the only reason she wouldn't be fought on other SM platforms is if no-one was listening to her on those other ones.
 
@Freakbro - Good point, I didn't make myself very clear there. What I meant was "what a 'win' that is in the fight against racism" rather than "what a 'win' that is for twitter" because her views are now left unchallenged, people think she's a victim of an unfair ban which gives her sympathy and she's back in the press which is giving her (and more importantly Parler) exposure she didn't have whilst still on twitter.

Again, "out of sight out of mind" doesn't help solve anything because the problem hasn't gone away, it's just not as easy to point it out any more.
 
ianh said:
@Freakbro - Good point, I didn't make myself very clear there. What I meant was "what a 'win' that is in the fight against racism" rather than "what a 'win' that is for twitter" because her views are now left unchallenged, people think she's a victim of an unfair ban which gives her sympathy and she's back in the press which is giving her (and more importantly Parler) exposure she didn't have whilst still on twitter.

Again, "out of sight out of mind" doesn't help solve anything because the problem hasn't gone away, it's just not as easy to point it out any more.
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Hm, not sure about that. Its obvious that nothing was going to change her views and at least now her vile **** doesn't potentially reach as many people.

She had plenty of warnings and people responding to her everyday telling her that her views were wrong and awful. It didn't work.
 
Or maybe people who are over sensitive and cry and moan at every opportunity should move away and get their own platforms wrapped in cotton wool with list of 1000 rules that you must abide by and words that can not be spoken.
 
Jono8 said:
Hm, not sure about that. Its obvious that nothing was going to change her views and at least now her vile **** doesn't potentially reach as many people.

She had plenty of warnings and people responding to her everyday telling her that her views were wrong and awful. It didn't work.
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It's been a good discussion so far but I feel like we're stuck in a never-ending loop here with these two repeating talking points just going back and forth -

a. You think kicking her of twitter is a good thing because her views are no longer viewable there and that is where your view of this ends - out of sight out of mind, less exposure and good riddance.

b. I that that where your view ends, mine begins, as I think that kicking her off twitter will do nothing to stop her views spreading. I agree that her views wouldn't change if challenged, but other people's might have been.

To continue the loop feels redundant, wouldn't you agree?
 
ianh said:
It's been a good discussion so far but I feel like we're stuck in a never-ending loop here with these two repeating talking points just going back and forth -

a. You think kicking her of twitter is a good thing because her views are no longer viewable there and that is where your view of this ends - out of sight out of mind, less exposure and good riddance.

b. I that that where your view ends, mine begins, as I think that kicking her off twitter will do nothing to stop her views spreading. I agree that her views wouldn't change if challenged, but other people's might have been.

To continue the loop feels redundant, wouldn't you agree?
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Yes, we will just have to agree to disagree!
 
Deluxe1 said:
Or maybe people who are over sensitive and cry and moan at every opportunity should move away and get their own platforms wrapped in cotton wool with list of 1000 rules that you must abide by and words that can not be spoken.
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They have one. It's called twitter.

If Katie doesn't like that she can start her own social media giant.
 
ianh said:
It's been a good discussion so far but I feel like we're stuck in a never-ending loop here with these two repeating talking points just going back and forth -

a. You think kicking her of twitter is a good thing because her views are no longer viewable there and that is where your view of this ends - out of sight out of mind, less exposure and good riddance.

b. I that that where your view ends, mine begins, as I think that kicking her off twitter will do nothing to stop her views spreading. I agree that her views wouldn't change if challenged, but other people's might have been.

To continue the loop feels redundant, wouldn't you agree?
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free speech a privilege and is now not a right for all.
If you can’t create a logic argument to combat what she says they you have lost the war if you need to ban the argument.

some of the idea she’s put forward are common sense, and need to be spoken about in public no matter how harsh it may be it really needs to be done.
but the powers above will do what they can to keep the status quo and continue with the current culture.
 
Mrwong said:
free speech a privilege and is now not a right for all.
If you can’t create a logic argument to combat what she says they you have lost the war if you need to ban the argument.

some of the idea she’s put forward are common sense, and need to be spoken about in public no matter how harsh it may be it really needs to be done.
but the powers above will do what they can to keep the status quo and continue with the current culture.
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You seem to be confusing a right to free speech with a right to have someone provide you with a publishing platform.
 
Surveyor said:
You seem to be confusing a right to free speech with a right to have someone provide you with a publishing platform.
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They aren't publishers they were given special privileges to act like a public space in return for not getting sued for any/all user generated content that they are themselves distributing, they've argued repeatedly under oath that they aren't publishers so they shouldn't be acting like one. Deciding who is allowed, what content is allowed and censoring are the acts of a publisher.

The good news is a few platforms are popping up which allow a diversity of opinions within the framework of US law which is how it should be but no doubt the big corporate monopolies will go after them as "enabling the far right" etc which these days is basically anything to the right of Joseph Stalin.
 
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Mrwong said:
free speech a privilege and is now not a right for all.
If you can’t create a logic argument to combat what she says they you have lost the war if you need to ban the argument.
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Katie went on to say that she didn’t like footballers’ names or geographical names like “Brooklyn” or “London”. Philip Schofield pointed out that Katie’s daughter is named India. “Isn’t that a geographical name?” he asked.

Katie replied: “That’s not a geographical location. It’s a lovely name for a lovely child.”

*Ahem*.

some of the idea she’s put forward are common sense, and need to be spoken about in public no matter how harsh it may be it really needs to be done.
but the powers above will do what they can to keep the status quo and continue with the current culture.
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If all she did was talk sense then she wouldnt be banned and this thread wouldn't exist.

You are trying to steer the discussion by suggest she was banned because people dont like her 'ideas'. Stop doing that. She was banned because she's a disgusting troll and twitter had enough of her crossing the line.
 
mmj_uk said:
They aren't publishers they were given special privileges to act like a public space in return for not getting sued for any/all user generated content that they are themselves distributing, they've argued repeatedly under oath that they aren't publishers so they shouldn't be acting like one. Deciding who is allowed, what content is allowed and censoring are the acts of a publisher.

The good news is a few platforms are popping up which allow a diversity of opinions within the framework of US law which is how it should be but no doubt the big corporate monopolies will go after them as "enabling the far right" etc which these days is basically anything to the right of Stalin.
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I use the word publish in a broader sense. There is no right to have a private company provide a platform for your thoughts, observations, ideas or whatever else you want to call them.
 
james.miller said:
Katie went on to say that she didn’t like footballers’ names or geographical names like “Brooklyn” or “London”. Philip Schofield pointed out that Katie’s daughter is named India. “Isn’t that a geographical name?” he asked.

Katie replied: “That’s not a geographical location. It’s a lovely name for a lovely child.”

*Ahem*.


If all she did was talk sense then she wouldnt be banned and this thread wouldn't exist.

You are trying to steer the discussion by suggest she was banned because people dont like her 'ideas'. Stop doing that. She was banned because she's a disgusting troll and twitter had enough of her crossing the line.
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You just pick out one to suit your needs, look at the overall arguments, and I did say some not all.

She is right and our infrastructure can not cope with the demand placed on it, this demand Would have been lower if it were not for the liberal and left ideology control they have in this country, you could classify it as an epidemic.

I guess everyone forgot what those Actors and singers said they would do it Trump won I am still waiting for them to leave the US or house a Syrian still waiting for bob and the rest to house one.

The left is more fake than the right, they destroy lives of the poor, but most can not see it.
 
Mrwong said:
She is right and our infrastructure can not cope with the demand placed on it, this demand Would have been lower if it were not for the liberal and left ideology control they have in this country, you could classify it as an epidemic.
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Remind me again who's been in power for the last decade? ;)
 
Mrwong said:
You just pick out one to suit your needs, look at the overall arguments, and I did say some not all
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Her good 'ideas' are irrelevant. The odd good thing she might say doesnt excuse her for her behaviour. You are doing your best to ignore that , trying to paint this picture of a polite and lovely Katie Hopkins that unfortunately just has ideas too radical for Twitter to deal with. but the truth is, that person doesn't exist. Twitter didn't ban Hopkins because of her ideas. Stop pretending she's some bastion of truth that Twitter tried to silence.
 
JRS said:
Remind me again who's been in power for the last decade? ;)
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It is the influence the left have in this country, government polices just try to mimic the group who shouted the loudest.
I am glad they are doing away with foreign aid, extremely happy about it.

The money was poorly utilised and used by the government to support the wealth not the poor.

Foreign aid (FA)was used to keep wages low in this country by helping poor countries to work for low wages, FA has done more harm than good and most of the money was never put to good use.
 
james.miller said:
Her good 'ideas' are irrelevant. The odd good thing she might say doesnt excuse her for her behaviour. You are doing your best to ignore that , trying to paint this picture of a polite and lovely Katie Hopkins that unfortunately just has ideas too radical for Twitter to deal with. but the truth is, that person doesn't exist. Twitter didn't ban Hopkins because of her ideas. Stop pretending she's some bastion of truth that Twitter tried to silence.
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You suggest that BLM should be banned going by your interpretation off events by one person.
 
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