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Kitchen Aid Mixer - Worth it?
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Your opinion isn’t advising me to get a KitchenAid.
Right?
At the moment I see over 100+ For and a handful against, each one noted equally.
You think I should ignore those 100 people saying KitchenAid are reliable and good and only listen to you and you only.
Right?
I picked a small selection from other forums but each one of these comments are weighted equally, together with yours.
I included this one just for you. I think that's like 2 or 3 votes for the Kenwood and 100 for the KitchenAid.
I know, he keep on swearing! Lol
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Wrong.
Up to this point I've not actually advised you either way. I'm letting you know what alternatives are "cheaper and better", which is exactly what you asked for...
Nope.
I do think you should consider why some people still chose other models when the KA is reputedly the god of stand mixers, while giving the gushing fanboy comments the same subjectivity weighting as those 'user error' complaints - People who drop a lot of money on top end kit will often understate, trivialise or even ignore niggles, problems and the like... I forget the actual term for it, but it's somewhere between commitment bias and the sunk cost fallacy.
Have you read any objective reviews, assessments, product test or similar, that merely present the product as is and thus allow you to make up your own mind?
And you keep on procrastinating... Just buy the ******* thing, or don't. You've already decided you want one, and if yours happens to fail or simply does not meet your expectations, no amount of statistical opinion profiling is going to make any difference to your personal experience.
The fact that you're asking people to talk you out of buying one suggests that you already know it's not worth that amount of money to you.
If you are CHOOSE something else NOT KitchenAid then you are NOT choosing KitchenAid? I know there are other options, if you think they are Cheaper And Better then you think I should get them?
Unless you think I should get the more EXPENSIVE and WORSE KitchenAid?
I dunno, I call it democracy!
To put someone who has one working for 30 years and on the same level with people who dismiss it due to user error or small niggles seems VERY fair to me. In reality I should ignore those with negative due to user error but i am not.
I also know that when something is wrong, more people will come out to say it, there is an actual term for that too. Vs when someone is just happy using it, those people don't make any noise, because when something works, you forget its existence as it just works.
Yes, I watched an hour video by some Canadian tear down of one, he talks about all kinds of things from the way the screws are made, the motor, how he thinks the PCB should be seated better, impressed by the composition of the metal, all sorts weird details.
I also watched a couple of direct comparison. I am not saying the Kenwood is BAD (which is the direct competitor, from my research they don't seem to be better than the KitchenAid. If I were to get it on looks alone I will be honest with you i am getting the KitchenAid, everytime.
I am not procrastinating, I am researching, I am waiting for that flood of negative reviews for KitchenAid to appear or the flood of Kenwood fans to turn up
There is no rush! I still have some left of the Gyoza that i made by hand to eat, until I finish it I don't need to make more.
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If you do get one, I recommend looking at eBay we bought one for a very dear friend and we got the Artisan in Black (could have had Candy Apple Red) for £299, new and sealed, there are a few at £329 knocking about as well. We did look at refurbished to new models, but they weren't that much cheaper. She can't recommend them more highly and she's been baking for the best part of 50 years, this is her second one only, the first one travelled round Africa/Europe with her.
not at all - stand mixer identity politics is rife.
Not sure what their marketting budget is for Bake-Off but worth its weight in cake, if they had had a kenwood they could have done witout the magimix food processor, too.
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That's right, *I* did not choose a KitchenAid... but that does not mean I think you should do the same.
Depends... do you actually want someone to talk you out of the KA, or are you just looking for validation?
That seems to be what you want to hear... but I'm not interested in any responsibility for what should be your decision.
You assume user error... based on what, I don't know, but presumably your aforementioned model recommendation in the user manual which isn't actually there?
You wanted user opinions and there's already a load out there, for models of both brands that have lasted several decades, which is a pretty good testimony. A good number love the KA, but still chose a Kenwood... Others felt the Kenwood more practical, but bought KA purely for the looks. Are they all on the same level, too?
Nigella Lawson uses Kitchen Aid, Raymond Blanc uses Kenwood. What level are they on?
So basically both conditions would cancel each other out and leave you back where you started.....
I mentioned Harley Davidsons earlier, which was of note because Harley owners tend to be the gushing fanboys oblivious to what is wrong, while non-owners are the ones who point it out.
I would suggest reading a few more comparison articles, preferably by people who use them in some kind of professional capacity - You'll get a good spread of opinions, plus a load more anecdotal 'heresay' from other users in their respective comments sections.
Well, a lot of people do buy KitchenAid purely for the looks... especially the 'Candy Apple Red', it seems.
I'll be honest back and say that almost of them just look the same to me. With a couple of exceptions, I mostly just see retro 1950s Americana styling, which was quite a fashion fad for kitchen stuff a few years back.
Aside from the several already in this thread... Is your Google-Fu that bad, or have your parents locked down your internet?I am not procrastinating, I am researching, I am waiting for that flood of negative reviews for KitchenAid to appear or the flood of Kenwood fans to turn up
On the first Google page of articles, there's one gal who went through six KA mixers within seven months, but still recommends them as much as the Kenwoods. You'd think KA would point out her 'user error' by the third or fourth replacement, or just stop replacing them...
Seriously though, even ignoring the likes of Reddit, there are stacks of KA vs KW articles...
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3846187/the-infamous-kitchenaid-vs-kenwood-debate
https://thingswemake.co.uk/2010/12/02/kenwood-vs-kitchenaid/
https://www.charlottepike.co.uk/tag/kenwood-mixer-vs-kitchenaid/
http://www.dollybakes.co.uk/2013/12/Kenwood-vs-Kitchenaid.html
As usual, I merely voiced an opinion which got met by someone who didn't want to take it as given and chose to debate it instead... If you don't like it, you can always use the Ignore button.Another thread ruined by ttaskmaster
Thanks for the rant. But life is too short to read that.
All I need is this bit
Believe it or not, no matter how many words you write, it has the exact same weight as someone who says “Kenwood”.
Right now it’s like 100 v 5. Is it a marketing thing? Is it a word of mouth thing? Who cares. It’s still 100 v 5 or something so far.
(unless you have a PHD in electrical engineering in Product Design specialising in domestic appliance). No? Vote has weight as everyone else.
Fairness.
I got your “opinion” in black and white right there. You didn’t choose KitchenAid. Got it. Thanks.
Seriously, I did not read a single word past that point.
All I need is this bit
Believe it or not, no matter how many words you write, it has the exact same weight as someone who says “Kenwood”.
Right now it’s like 100 v 5. Is it a marketing thing? Is it a word of mouth thing? Who cares. It’s still 100 v 5 or something so far.
(unless you have a PHD in electrical engineering in Product Design specialising in domestic appliance). No? Vote has weight as everyone else.
Fairness.
I got your “opinion” in black and white right there. You didn’t choose KitchenAid. Got it. Thanks.
Seriously, I did not read a single word past that point.
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In that case, I do think you should buy a KitchenAid... I suggest ignoring any advice on models or performance and just buy whichever colour you like best. That seems to be the level you're working to, here.
Man of Honour
we bought one, its such an iconic design, works well, lasts well, goes with the kitchen and age of the house and finally had the money to spend - very happy with it all in all. Yes you can get something that does the same for less but thats usually the case. If you can afford it, like it, are going to look at it a lot and enjoy it then why not get something nice 
To be fair @Raymond Lin you asked for people to talk you out of buying one and not for people to talk you into buying one 
todays kenwood story - if only Kenwood brewed beer ...
but, for dough, anything less than a spiral hook in in a KA600 looks meh https://youtu.be/u-07U8U89rk
but, for dough, anything less than a spiral hook in in a KA600 looks meh https://youtu.be/u-07U8U89rk
To be fair @Raymond Lin you asked for people to talk you out of buying one and not for people to talk you into buying one
10/10 for effort.
10/10 for truth.
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Ah, but are all of them the right model for the product you want to mix, ie Artisan for bread... or is every vote counted equally, regardless of relevance of circumstances?
This passive-aggressive side of you is lovely to see.
It's not even your money to spend, why do you care so much?
after r4 article today we hit peak flour sales and home baking craze is over ... so that explains some deals,
not in blue velvet but Ford black - it would run a spiral too - but rock solid chassis (residuals too) with the natty bowl lift
KitchenAid K5 Heavy-Duty Bowl-Lift Stand Mixer 4.8Ltr Black 5KPM5EOB
not in blue velvet but Ford black - it would run a spiral too - but rock solid chassis (residuals too) with the natty bowl lift
KitchenAid K5 Heavy-Duty Bowl-Lift Stand Mixer 4.8Ltr Black 5KPM5EOB