Korean Grand Prix 2011, Yeongam Circuit - Race 16/19

Skeeter said:
But they aren't banning off throttle maps, they are banning EBD's entirely! This is completely different to what was run at Silverstone so we cannot use those results as ay sort of yard stick.

Yes, McLaren and RBR were suceptable to a loss of off throttle maps, but that is only one part of the whole blown diffuser setup. Loosing the whole thing is far more wide reaching, accross the whole car design and accross the whole grid.

What was banned at Silverstone is not what is being banned at the end of the season.
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Whilst this is true it will indirectly get rid of off throttle maps as teams won't burn unnecessary fuel and/or work the engine harder than they need to.

I'm looking forward to the exhausts of next year, no more daft sounding off throttle blowing and we should be able to see them properly next year too exiting at the rear - hopefully with flames on over run too!
 
NathanE said:
So apparently McLaren are running the flexi T-tray as well now, but it's still a bit beta grade, and it stopped working after some tyre marbles got wedged in it. And of course the flexi T-tray is responsible for getting the front wing lower to the ground to generate more downforce... hence the understeer.
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Where are you getting this info from NathanE? :)
 
i see someone with a bigmouth told AMUS about mercedes testing a frontwing f-duct during a practice session in japan and now theres photos and diagrams of it all over

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Sometimes the things they come up with blow my mind - this is the problem with the current lack of testing, and why few teams will test out anything significant in the remaining races.
 
dont all the cars have that little vent thing, i thought it was to allow some are to cool the drivers a little :p

how exactly is a driver ment to activate that to stall the front wing?

put his big toe over a hole?
 
utajoker said:
dont all the cars have that little vent thing, i thought it was to allow some are to cool the drivers a little :p

how exactly is a driver ment to activate that to stall the front wing?

put his big toe over a hole?
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Yeah most teams have a hole in the front, this is the same but just channeled back over the front winglets. Its a manual system (f-duct type ones are banned) so just works by speed, so when going quick it will force the air to stall, when going slow there isn't as much air going in to stop it when cornering.
 
utajoker said:
dont all the cars have that little vent thing, i thought it was to allow some are to cool the drivers a little :p

how exactly is a driver ment to activate that to stall the front wing?

put his big toe over a hole?
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mercedes didnt have an f-duct that needed activating on their rear wing ;) which is why for the early part of the season they had a lot of troubles with crosswinds , i guess it gives them a big edge in developing the front wing version
 
NathanE said:
I think more teams will adopt the Mclaren L-shape sidepods next year, possibly even RBR.

The McLaren sidepods are really good at feeding the rear wing with clean air.
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Surely, the only way to factually state that the sidepods feed the rear better than any other design (including RBR's), is by seeing wind tunnel data?

I actually don't think the side pods on the McLaren make much difference. Ferrari didnt have these. In Siliverstone (without EBD), Ferrari were top. RBR who across the year have had the best car also don't have the L-shaped side pods.

What makes you think that the McLaren side pod is better than any other?
 
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sunama said:
I actually don't think the side pods on the McLaren make much difference. Ferrari didnt have these. In Siliverstone (without EBD), Ferrari were top. RBR who across the year have had the best car also don't have the L-shaped side pods.
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In the same race Hamilton wasn't fuelled enough to compete for that long, Button pitted from 5th with good pace only to leave with only 3 wheels, it was a wet start, Vettel had a problem in the pits and the rules were not exactly decided with time for teams to make the full adjustments. Ferrari not knowing how to use the tech obviously had less to change as well.

By all means use the fact that the RBR didn't have them and still being better as your argument. But using Ferrari doing well that weekend as any part of it I think is just not looking at the whole picture.
 
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