Kyle Rittenhouse - teen who shot three people in Kenosha

Jono8 said:
Ive supported and backed them up countless times and you tediously saying otherwise like a person possessed isn't going to change that.
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You haven't though, you can literally see it in the chain of responses - a whole paragraph where you throw in some analogies but you don't actually provide an argument, you just state the assertion... I quote you and ask Why and you deflect/can't answer... then you shift to the latest attempt to keep things vague with some handwaving in reference to the prosecutors.

Why bother making up additional silly analogies instead of simply explaining your reasoning?


Jono8 said:
Hm i find that very dubious and a bit of a cope to be honest. That isnt a very straight answer to me. How can they be hostile, whilst also friendly? Does someone turn hostile just because they see someone running?

You are just deflecting again.

Whats your point?
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Yes being chased by a fellow rioter could well turn them hostile, note again he wasn't running into groups of them before, he was walking around cautiously, shouting "friendlies" in advance etc... no I'm not deflecting I literally answered you and am answering the followup.

As for my point, it was in relation to the claim that he was a vigilante, most protestors were happy with him earlier on, he wasn't going around harassing them etc.. he was going around shouting "friendlies" and "medic" etc..

^^^ see again, I answer your direct quesitons
 
dowie said:
You haven't though, you can literally see it in the chain of responses - a whole paragraph where you throw in some analogies but you don't actually provide an argument, you just state the assertion... I quote you and ask Why and you deflect/can't answer... then you shift to the latest attempt to keep things vague with some handwaving in reference to the prosecutors.

Why bother making up additional silly analogies instead of simply explaining your reasoning?
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There was nothing silly about them.


dowie said:
Yes being chased by a fellow rioter could well turn them hostile, note again he wasn't running into groups of them before, he was walking around cautiously, shouting "friendlies" in advance etc... no I'm not deflecting I literally answered you and am answering the followup.
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Sounds highly dubious to me and a bit of a cope.
 
Jono8 said:
There was nothing silly about them.
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You admitted yourself that it was flippant

Jono8 said:
I also acknowledge Kyle's situation was more threatening than the rather flippant example above
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What was the point of it then? It seems pretty silly to throw in a rather flippant example - are you able to just explain the point you were trying to make?

Jono8 said:
Sounds highly dubious to me and a bit of a cope.
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That's fine but again, you (as usual) don't give an argument why? Why don't you think the force he was using was reasonable? Why are you confident he could have just run into the mob instead of seeing that as a potentially dangerous route to take when trying to flee? Don't you see that that is a rather different context (running up to/through a group while being chased) vs walking around not bothering people and saying "friendlies" "medic" etc..?
 
Jono8 said:
This right here man.....

I have answered this COUNTLESS times in this thread.

Stop asking me the same thing i've answered a million times. Its just **** weird at this point.
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And there we go, more deflection. You've just asked me direct questions, I simply answer you. Then when asked some yourself look at what happens, again...
 
Jono8 said:
Stop asking me the same thing i've answered a million times. Its just **** weird at this point.
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I dont see any answers to these questions:

dowie said:
That's fine but again, you (as usual) don't give an argument why? Why don't you think the force he was using was reasonable? Why are you confident he could have just run into the mob instead of seeing that as a potentially dangerous route to take when trying to flee? Don't you see that that is a rather different context (running up to/through a group while being chased) vs walking around not bothering people and saying "friendlies" "medic" etc..?
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Jono8 said:
He asked me "Why don't you think the force he was using was reasonable? ?"

Ive explained all afternoon why i think that.
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He's literally just quoted the recent questions you've tried to avoid to you, you've still not answered. You've spent the majority of your replies to me actively avoiding questions not answering them. I wouldn't need to ask them in the first place if you actually provided arguments/answers instead of relying on stating empty assertions or throwing in silly analogies re: fights in clubs etc..

I don't understand why it's so difficult for you to just give straight answers instead of constantly deflecting.
 
dLockers said:
I don't get why this case is so devisive/making so many right wingers froth. Is it because you like the idea of military action/militias? Lots of posts would indicate as such. Of course it was 'self defence' but the fact the kid LARPed in the first place was the real root cause. A balanced view would say 'ya sure self defence but he really put himself in a dumb situation'.

Totally unclear on the devout love you right wingers are giving this guy. Did you want to be action men growing up as well? Living out your best life in a LARPer?

Super odd.
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When you're defending lawless, rioting, sex offenders, you don't really get to judge others.
 
dowie said:
He's literally just quoted the recent questions you've tried to avoid to you, you've still not answered. You've spent the majority of your replies to me actively avoiding questions not answering them. I wouldn't need to ask them in the first place if you actually provided arguments/answers instead of relying on stating empty assertions or throwing in silly analogies re: fights in clubs etc..

I don't understand why it's so difficult for you to just give straight answers instead of constantly deflecting.
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As i said, and i will say it again, i've answered the question of why i didn't think the force he used was reasonable (in detail) during this afternoon's posting.

I simply refuse to repeat myself on demand, because i think you should try and follow whats being said better instead of repeatedly asking people to repeat themselves.
 
Jono8 said:
As i said, and i will say it again, i've answered the question of why i didn't think the force he used was reasonable (in detail) during this afternoon's posting.

I simply refuse to repeat myself on demand, because i think you should try and follow whats being said better instead of repeatedly asking people to repeat themselves.
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That wasn't all I asked, you've also kept things rather vague, I'm aware you think he could have run further but you seem to have the position that it was unreasonable regardless of that (yet won't elaborate on that point). It is rather difficult to have any sort of dialogue with someone who is so evasive, the only reason I find myself repeating myself is when you reply with non-answers/deflection (which you'll happily do over several posts instead of just providing an answer/explanation in a single post). You've done it all through the thread, it's not just re: one point today and it's not just me that has raised questions in relation to your assertions or analogies.
 
Jono8 said:
Correct. I will maintain the point that i dont wish to keep repeating myself (even if that means repeating that point...to make a point ).
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But you're not being asked to repeat yourself, you're being asked to clarify things you've said... elaborate on, provide your reasoning for some assertion etc.. You'll spend a dozen replies arguing about how you've already answered something or finding an excuse not to answer instead of one or two replies simply answering the point/providing clarification.
 
dowie said:
But you're not being asked to repeat yourself, you're being asked to clarify things you've said... elaborate on, provide your reasoning for some assertion etc...
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Already done countless times.

I think you are struggling because you think there is a "win" to be derived from this pointless back and forth.

We have an opposed opinion and sit on either side of the court room on this, and i think you are finding that hard to come to terms with so just keep asking for more and more clarification on something that cannot be clarified any further.
 
Ok, this is getting tedious. Whether Jono has explained himself or not, all you're doing is going round in circles now. Lets not get this thread locked again.
 
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