Lan noise reducer

NickK said:
, actually any cable..
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I wonder what your genuine thoughts on the following.

My interconnects are made from Van Damme Lo-Cap 55 cable, I personally think these interconnects are exceptional, especially for about the £35 per meter they cost.

Now Van Damme make these cables in capacitance 55, 90 and 125. Now if differences in cables is snake oil, why does Van Damme make these different cables.

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NickK said:
Proper professional mains conditioning systems (like all the bands use when they tour) take in whatever.. and output very very load noise (and often remodulated 50Hz) power. No matter how bad the local power is.. what goes into the amps and audio systems is cleaner than most audiophiles power.
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Your totally correct on above.

I often visit Alvason Hall in Nantwich. Alvaston Hall has a large music / entertain room with live music. I spoken to the engineers and apparently everything uses balanced mains. All the gear on stage plugs into something called a music box, and everything is isolated from the other electrics such as regular mains / lighting rings. The audio in the room is very clean.

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JasonM said:
I wonder what your genuine thoughts on the following.

My interconnects are made from Van Damme Lo-Cap 55 cable, I personally think these interconnects are exceptional, especially for about the £35 per meter they cost.

Now Van Damme make these cables in capacitance 55, 90 and 125. Now if differences in cables is snake oil, why does Van Damme make these different cables.

Silver Series Session Grade Instrument Cable | Van-Damme

Silver series session grade instrument cables engineered to three specific capacitances used for guitar and ass guitar amplifier applications.
www.van-damme.com www.van-damme.com
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Well this depends on what you are putting on each end and how that reacts.

Let me give you an example.

Not all opamps are equal. The I/V stage of the DAC (ie the output stage of the DAC that converts to the voltage that your amp sees) can be any number of discrete or opamp implementations the output of that stage and how it can drive cables varies considerably. Some output stages become unstable with too much capacitance or inductance, whereas other stages are simply happy to drive a pair of headphones at 600R. Those differences have an impact on sound too - not the cable but the change in behaviour of the stages.

That effect may change the voltage peak and thus loudness for the signal, simply by changing the cable capacitance/inductance/impedance. Yet that same cable may actually introduce distortion due to the behaviour of the output stage causing it to produce more distortion. You may, listening, perceive that volume increase as being clearer..

Not every set of components are the same, different output and input section behaviours will react differently to different cable properties.

It's better to know what the output character is .. what the input is of the next stage and then design the cable accordingly. A manufacturer that is does not know every stage of the amplification path is simply hoodwinking people in their understanding. In amps you start at the end and work backwards.. components and cables are part of that and you design accordingly.

What is snake oil is people being told the cable improves sound etc.. without knowing what is at each end of it.. Now you can see what I mean about snake oil that makes carte blanche claims.
 
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NickK said:
Well this depends on what you are putting on each end and how that reacts.

Let me give you an example.

Not all opamps are equal. The I/V stage of the DAC (ie the output stage of the DAC that converts to the voltage that your amp sees) can be any number of discrete or opamp implementations the output of that stage and how it can drive cables varies considerably. Some output stages become unstable with too much capacitance or inductance, whereas other stages are simply happy to drive a pair of headphones at 600R. Those differences have an impact on sound too - not the cable but the change in behaviour of the stages.

That effect may change the voltage peak and thus loudness for the signal, simply by changing the cable capacitance/inductance/impedance. Yet that same cable may actually introduce distortion due to the behaviour of the output stage causing it to produce more distortion. You may, listening, perceive that volume increase as being clearer..

Not every set of components are the same, different output and input section behaviours will react differently to different cable properties.

It's better to know what the output character is .. what the input is of the next stage and then design the cable accordingly. A manufacturer that is does not know every stage of the amplification path is simply hoodwinking people in their understanding. In amps you start at the end and work backwards.. components and cables are part of that and you design accordingly.

What is snake oil is people being told the cable improves sound etc.. without knowing what is at each end of it.. Now you can see what I mean about snake oil that makes carte blanche claims.
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Your referring to synergy between source, cable and amp. For sometime I known that some components work better with other components, you have explained it in a better way then I normally think about it.

Your also correct on how reducing mains noise improves audio. I use Russ Andrews Purifiers, Mega clamps and Silencers, I also have their power bars. The Russ Andrews conditioners are passive, and they convert noise energy into a small amount of heat.
 
NickK said:
It's better to know what the output character is .. what the input is of the next stage and then design the cable accordingly. A manufacturer that is does not know every stage of the amplification path is simply hoodwinking people in their understanding. In amps you start at the end and work backwards.. components and cables are part of that and you design accordingly.
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For those of us invested into the Naim system of audio, we have known this for years and years. That's why if you buy a Naim source (Cd deck, Streamer, Pre amp, Power amp ect), they are always supplied with Din to Din signal cables.
The reason is very simple, Naim make their own signal cables and because of that all the cables are a perfect match for source to pre amp. The cables also carry an earth cable that keeps continuity between earth on all connected boxes, which in turn keeps the noise floor to a minimum.
When i first purchased my CD5 XS (second hand), it came with the Naim interconnect and some aftermarket no name interconnect. The difference between the 2 cables was so drastic, the no name when straight into the recycling bin.
As far as i know, Naim are the only audio manufacturer that supply their own interconnects as standard with all their source boxes.
 
kitfit1 said:
For those of us invested into the Naim system of audio, we have known this for years and years. That's why if you buy a Naim source (Cd deck, Streamer, Pre amp, Power amp ect), they are always supplied with Din to Din signal cables.
The reason is very simple, Naim make their own signal cables and because of that all the cables are a perfect match for source to pre amp. The cables also carry an earth cable that keeps continuity between earth on all connected boxes, which in turn keeps the noise floor to a minimum.
When i first purchased my CD5 XS (second hand), it came with the Naim interconnect and some aftermarket no name interconnect. The difference between the 2 cables was so drastic, the no name when straight into the recycling bin.
As far as i know, Naim are the only audio manufacturer that supply their own interconnects as standard with all their source boxes.
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What about Bose? :-D
 
JasonM said:
Your also correct on how reducing mains noise improves audio. I use Russ Andrews Purifiers, Mega clamps and Silencers, I also have their power bars. The Russ Andrews conditioners are passive, and they convert noise energy into a small amount of heat.
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Sorry to say I have a very dim view of Russ Andrews.

I'm referring to the devices that you can start picking up at 10K and upwards that professionals used for gigging, touring or studio. Given they provide a consistent sound, regardless of where they are in the world, they are necessary expense. Power conditioners are active. This ensures that the AC input is converted to zero noise DC then inverted back into very load noise, high quality power that the equipment was designed for. That is not cheap todo.

Not directed at you but in general..

In the end people can be happy in their own listening bubble, you don't need to tell anyone, bark brandnames or make regurgitated claims from manufacturers - just listen to your music. Whatever makes you happy.

Audiophoolery is a very deep spiral path down to get into. I like the electronics and music. Whatever it is.. just don't forget to listen to the music.
 
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NickK said:
Sorry to say I have a very dim view of Russ Andrews.

I'm referring to the devices that you can start picking up at 10K and upwards that professionals used for gigging, touring or studio. Given they provide a consistent sound, regardless of where they are in the world, they are necessary expense. Power conditioners are active. This ensures that the AC input is converted to zero noise DC then inverted back into very load noise, high quality power that the equipment was designed for. That is not cheap todo.

Not directed at you but in general..

In the end people can be happy in their own listening bubble, you don't need to tell anyone, bark brandnames or make regurgitated claims from manufacturers - just listen to your music. Whatever makes you happy.

Audiophoolery is a very deep spiral path down to get into. I like the electronics and music. Whatever it is.. just don't forget to listen to the music.
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That's why I like numbers for proof, then it's far more accurate. I get that different setups will sound different as there's a lot of varied components, but I'm not sure how easy someone could determine which is "better" just by listening to it.
 
NickK said:
Sorry to say I have a very dim view of Russ Andrews.
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It's true Russ Andrews certain splits opinion.

Almost all of my Russ Andrews products I purchased pre-owned.

I've got 2 systems my main HiFi in living area, and audio on my computer upstairs with active monitors. The audio quality is very high, I'm referring to soundstage, detail in sound, separation in sounds. I have no regrets going down this path.
 
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Incredible stuff, on another note I have some magic beans for sale, but don't worry these are very expensive magic beans.
 
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