Large increase in migrant workers.
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Being "used" like this? There are hundreds of millions in the world that would dream of mowing lawns in the USA.
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The company I work for have hired a few immigrants over the last 12 months (about a dozen) to work in the warehouse, and I can say first hand that its a myth thats migrants make better workers. The guys we have are lazy and cant be trusted to do any job that requires even simple counting. If I need an importent order despatching then I can only trust the English lads to get it right.
But the immigrants we have are happy to work for minimum wage, be sent home early without pay if the works goes quiet and not get paid for bank holidays
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Slave labour to me, its a shame too because I have a couple of friends who would love a job atm, and would do a much better job then these guys.
But the immigrants we have are happy to work for minimum wage, be sent home early without pay if the works goes quiet and not get paid for bank holidays
. Slave labour to me, its a shame too because I have a couple of friends who would love a job atm, and would do a much better job then these guys.
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Caporegime
To say that Mexicans being paid to mow lawns in the Western world slavery is an insult to people actually suffering under slavery.
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Did they apply for the jobs?
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No, the jobs were already taken by the migrants before my friends were made redundant
, which will be the case now for many UK workers about to be made redundant.Someone who looks after and repairs things, exactly what you just described. An engineer would be someone who designed the A/C units in the first place and will probably be or on their way to be a chartered engineer, something you need a degree to be.
In the olden days that sort of job was exactly the type that used apprenticeships to get qualified individuals.
Its another problem with todays society actually, the misunderstanding between skilled and highly skilled jobs. An engineer (for example) used to be a specific thing, someone with an academic background who designed things (such as bridges, cars, machines). The technician was the guy that worked his way up through an apprenticeship over a couple of years and helped build and maintain those bridges and machines.
Today we have very few apprenticeships around and everyone is called an engineer. You used to be called a gas fitter, now you are a central heating engineer...
Eugh geology! What kind of rubbish is that!?
Actually I think the number of issues with the "foreigners" coming in and taking jobs in the city is not due to the lack of qualified personnel it is probably largely due to the low wages in the UK compared to other countries. Lots of highly qualified graduates are leaving the country to make much more overseas... Exactly the same way people from eastern Europe are coming over here to make more money.
Caporegime
No, the jobs were already taken by the migrants before my friends were made redundant
So they had the jobs but didn't make the cut at redundancy, but the migrants did? Hmmm.
I assumed that his friend was made redundant from a different Job altogether ?
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thats right mate, they were made redundant from a different job and are really struggling to find any kind of work now. Not all british people out of work are lazy, and the influx of foreign labour will really hurt the british workers who want to work and are losing jobs right now.
Caporegime
Maybe British workers need to make a better case for employing them than the migrants.
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But the immigrants we have are happy to work for minimum wage, be sent home early without pay if the works goes quiet and not get paid for bank holidays
That's the real problem.
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This is just what I was going to say.
British companies do not want to train their staff or promote internally. Because it costs money to do so. Hiring people ready-made is cheaper.
I've been to a few IT related job interviews recently, and they were all pretty candid and frank with me. Time and again, I asked "is your company prepared to train me, to let me climb the ladder into a specialist position?" and time after time, the answer was "we prefer to hire people who already have the skills we need. If we hire you on, this is the job you'll be doing for us for the duration of your employment." Ie, we don't do promotions & training.
I can only assume that in India they have a system akin to our apprenticeships of old (that we have now pretty much abandoned). That they train people on the job. The things we used to do in this country, but being motivated now by nothing but profit, refuse to do any longer.
Which would be better for the nation?
1) Current state, where companies employ the cheapest body to work. Company stays afloat, may make a profit. They then pay some tax back for the profits they generate.
2) Company employs "natives". Struggles to stay solvent due to increased cost. Profits (if any) are poor. Less tax back to the country. Worse still, go bust altogether.
Clearly both have pros/cons. But we cant have it both ways.
1) Current state, where companies employ the cheapest body to work. Company stays afloat, may make a profit. They then pay some tax back for the profits they generate.
2) Company employs "natives". Struggles to stay solvent due to increased cost. Profits (if any) are poor. Less tax back to the country. Worse still, go bust altogether.
Clearly both have pros/cons. But we cant have it both ways.
Answer a question with another question.
Anyway,
1) Who cares how somebody spends their money. They earned it legally, they should choose to spend it anyway they want.
2) You mean spending it on maybe booze, which may ultimately add onto our health budget. Or with the purchase of other "luxury" items, which originate from other countries anyway.
Still, a proper response to my original query would be good.
Soldato
Go to school, work hard and stop whinging. They get the jobs because of their work ethic and education.
The vast majority of people whining about immigrants are uneducated lazy alcoholics.
The vast majority of people whining about immigrants are uneducated lazy alcoholics.
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because school is the intelligence test. higher education should be about a skill you can take into a work place and use to DO A JOB. so unless you are going to build a monster truck and show it, or work in a fine art gallery then both of those courses are ****.
on another note, this air-con and refrigeration discussion, how much would an engineer get payed/hr - ish? i'm looking at doing something along these lines, would be nice to do a night school or something like that.
also, back on topic, my opinion -
the economy is going backwards, and it's doing so because of a price war and once again peoples ''entitlement" to the high life driven on by the constant price wars.
if people want to pay a LOW LOW LOW price for something then corners have to be cut, so the retailer slashes sales staff wages in favour of slashing a couple of quid off of the bottom line against the goods. this then gets reflected up the chain, once again they go "bean counting" to drive the cost of product down. so lower engineer wages worse product quality.
now, i don't see the attitude changing anytime soon. but i hope that some trend setter will bring back the company direction of having pride in the product and your company and start paying well and charging more but excelling at quality. Too much weight has been put in "slashing budgets and maximising profit".
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