Large increase in migrant workers.

hola_adios said:
This, plus they come with less tattoos, better education and manners.
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lol some of the polish lads at my place have tattoos on there heads/face , they where educated in prisons/military and there manners go as far as calling people ''bitches'' in polish

BUT they always do a good job and they are always on time etc . when the english lads get a crap 'task' they moan and throw a strop working slowly , when the polish get a crap task they moan but still give it their all

its the british attitude to work. we are lazy. the current generation know more about what benefits they can get and how they can get them than they know about working

on the other hand many of these 'foreigners' jobs will be through foreign agencies/employers that might not even have offices in this country
 
We used to have a strong work ethic in this country, i think odds on a few generations in we'll have lazy work idle children of immigrants.
Proliferation of benefits makes people lazy.
 
Is no one seeing the bigger picture here ?

300, 000 extra people clogging our NHS up and overcrowding our schools.
 
arknor said:
whats better
1) immigrant worker earns money and takes it back to his native country.

2) british worker earns money and spends it in this country
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Also:

British people end up lacking specialist skills and (in the short term) we're locked into a cycle of importing foreign workers because we have no money to train Brits.

And, once those foreign countries end up with more money than us (such as India right now), their workers will start demanding more money. These foreign workers (and I have nothing against them, btw) will no longer be cheaper to employ.

But in the meantime quality of life in Britain will have dropped. In other words, living standards across the developed/developing world will move towards parity. Good news for India and China, but for us we'll be looking at a fall in our living standards.

It's good or bad depending on your perspective. But the current situation cannot last forever, which I suppose is good news in itself.
 
frosty03 said:
Answer a question with another question.

Anyway,
1) Who cares how somebody spends their money. They earned it legally, they should choose to spend it anyway they want.

2) You mean spending it on maybe booze, which may ultimately add onto our health budget. Or with the purchase of other "luxury" items, which originate from other countries anyway.

Still, a proper response to my original query would be good.
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erm........ you think all this money that leaves the country instead of beeing spent here doesnt matter? no wonder our economy is going downhill....
 
Namesake said:
The British economy is supposed to serve British people. Why does it matter what 'value' it has if it doesn't do that?
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It doesn't work like that anymore, governments are all pro-EU/globalization.

The statement that British people are lazy is nothing but a myth fed to us by our 'representatives' to excuse the damage that high immigration has had on the native populace. The cost of living is higher for UK citizens than it is eastern Europeans, so they come over and then after 5yrs have enough money to go back home and get on the housing ladder, who wouldn't work their balls off in a minimum wage cleaning job with an incentive like that?
 
mmj_uk said:
It doesn't work like that anymore, governments are all pro-EU/globalization.

The statement that British people are lazy is nothing but a myth fed to us by our 'representatives' to excuse the damage that high immigration has had on the native populace.
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Are you an employer?

fed to us by our 'representatives' to excuse the damage that high immigration has had on the native populace. The cost of living is higher for UK citizens than it is eastern Europeans, so they come over and then after 5yrs have enough money to go back home and get on the housing ladder, who wouldn't work their balls off in a minimum wage cleaning job with an incentive like that?
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Did you know that on average (distributed, too, even at the lower levels), immigrants workers are better qualified than their British counterparts?
 
Tunney said:
The current government's solution to this skills gap seems to be tripling the price of higher education and slashing the number of Masters and PhD places. :(
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They haven't trippled the cost AT ALL. This is the problem, thousands of people, mostly not well off, often not going to uni used to pay tax that paid for people to go to uni. Now the people who GO to uni PAY to go to uni and the thousands of people who don't go don't subsidise them.

The COST is the same, the person who pays has changed. As others mentioned, the worth of a degree has been greatly lessened. If you make every single level of education passable by the dumbest idiot in the country, the degree doesn't actually tell you who is smarter, it just tells you who spent a few years at uni and who didn't. Degree's used to tell you who spent a few years at UNI and passed a difficult course that less smart people couldn't even get into.

The 300k immigrants doing crap jobs instead of UK born people, is in large part because too many UK born people believe they are "above" jobs because they got themselves a degree.

For years Labour has been pushing stupid people into uni for no reason, to accomodate those people they've been lowering the difficulty of degree's. This can't be reversed until uni is once again just for the smarter portion of the population, and the knock on effect is harder a levels and gcse's, theres a reason why the UK is slipping down every education league table.

Pushing stupid people out of education, stopping poor people subsidising them, and making degree's worthwhile are all hugely beneficial steps forward.

Remember Labour who were fighting tooth and nail over the horrific uni fee's, and now their plan is should they get in power, to have them anyway? Labour flat out lied to everyone about what the country could afford, and spent us into oblivion. THey ruin things, make the other parties look bad trying to fix it, then take the credit when it works.

This country couldn't do anything more positive for themselves than outlawing the Labour party.
 
Usher said:
Whilst collecting £3744 in benefits,

take away estimated. £900 per year she pays in to the system leaving £2800+ she takes out plus the added benefits of health treatments & schooling if she had a child. It simply validates my initial post

& there are hundreds of thousands of people inc those from out of the EU doing exactly the same
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I saw somewhere on the BBC that when you consider things like children's education, someone in a typical family takes more out of the system than they put in unless they are in the top 25% of earners. If you are single and have no kids you take less and put in more, because you don't get economies of scale and kid rebates/education etc.

I imagine a lot of the people saying "These immigrants are taking from the system!!!" have kids and aren't in the top 25% of earners.
 
Hatter The Mad said:
Did you know that on average (distributed, too, even at the lower levels), immigrants workers are better qualified than their British counterparts?
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whats your point ?

its not hard to become a cleaner if your last job was, say a builder.

they come here and walk into jobs we cant do, because you wouldnt get paid enough to live, they on the other hand dont mind living in a tent all year round.. its only when they settle in a bit more, they too start moaning that the money isnt enough, they dont have anough time to spend with their family..

so a lot of them move back to their own country..

every comment about the british being lazy ***** makes me angry, i wish this country would be a little bit more patriotic, i could be wrong though in thinking the people that have slagged off, we the british are probably polish/african French ect..

the system needs to change, not the people..

i know that poland has been ravaged by war, their country isnt a wealthy one, so they're pretty much pushed out, turning up here, they wont care where they work, how far they have to go for work within the uk, were as we do, not wanting to leave the family, they that have nothing are more willing than someone that has something
 
Mickie said:
whats your point ?

its not hard to become a cleaner if your last job was, say a builder.
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Your stereotyping and assumptions are funny.


every comment about the british being lazy ***** makes me angry, i wish this country would be a little bit more patriotic, i could be wrong though in thinking the people that have slagged off, we the british are probably polish/african French ect..
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Patriotism is for stupid people. The British workforce is in decline; in terms of will, effort, academics and skills.

the system needs to change, not the people..
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Disagree. You make your own life, you make your own luck. I am all for work/life balance. If you want to work less, make yourself more valuable and the time you do work more productive. If job competition prevents you from doing this, move onto something else.

i know that poland has been ravaged by war, their country isnt a wealthy one, so they're pretty much pushed out, turning up here, they wont care where they work, how far they have to go for work within the uk, were as we do, not wanting to leave the family, they that have nothing are more willing than someone that has something
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lol @ more stereotypes.

This happens often: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-British-workers-shun-supermarket-jobs.html

A Study of Migrant Workers and the National MinimumWage and Enforcement Issues that Arise http://www.cream-migration.org/pages/LPC.pdf

Immigrants to the UK have on average higher educational attainments than
native born workers. In 1992, 1998, and 2005, 10, 13 and 16 percent
respectively of the native born population in Britain left full time education
after the age of 21. This compares to 22, 28 and 35 percent of immigrants in
the same years who have been in the UK for more than two years, and 44, 52
and 45 percent of immigrants who arrived in the UK less than two years
earlier. On the other hand, while 69, 64, and 57 percent of the native born
population in 1992, 1998, and 2005 left full time education before the age of
16, this is the case for 45, 39, and 31 percent of immigrants who where in the
country for more than 2 years, and 16, 14 and 14 percent of immigrants who
arrived within the previous 2 years. All numbers refer to shares in the working
age population, as defined above
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Breaking down the occupational distribution by educational attainment (using
the classification above) shows likewise that recent immigrants in all
educational groups “downgrade”, i.e. are in occupations that are lower ranked
in terms of skill content and wages, than native born workers with the same
level of education.
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Surely that is good for the country, no? We're getting a transfer of skills without having to pay more for it.

Effects on pay for The Great Brits negligible, too:

Our preferred estimates suggest that every 1 percent increase in the ratio of immigrants to natives in the working age population ratio led to a 0.5 percent decrease in wages at the 1st decile, a 0.6 percent increase in wages at the median, and a 0.4 percent increase in wages at the 9th decile.
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http://eprints.ucl.ac.uk/14331/1/14331.pdf
 
I think the problem lies in how many people go to college/university. I have just left school and 95% of the school population is White British, and about 95% of the population went to college to do some crazy A levels in Physics and Drama when most of them want to be a teacher. I am waiting until December in the hopes of joining the RAF doing only a small IT apprenticeship to tie me over however there are people who have absolutely no idea what they want to do and go to college so they don't have to make the decision yet, by the time they come out they will be overqualified for the more menial jobs and will refuse to do it.

some people need to realize that going to college wont make them more able and they are better off just joining the workforce
 
this whole thread is one big stereotype..

to say the british are lazy *****, why dont you lobby for why we arent, and not for why we are..
 
We're getting a transfer of skills without having to pay more for it
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and what kind of skills are these? someone with more than a few gcses doing a minimum wage job? awsome......
 
albert said:
Is no one seeing the bigger picture here ?

300, 000 extra people clogging our NHS up and overcrowding our schools.
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dam imigrant cheap nurses working in the NHS.... and care homes, and serving us food, and cleaning, and doing factory work.... working hard, for little pay and extra house in poor conditions...

kick out all the imigrants.....

(yes there are wasters, imigrant and native, all wasters should be deported I say.... one in one out founds fair.... )
 
edscdk said:
dam imigrant cheap nurses working in the NHS.... and care homes, and serving us food, and cleaning, and doing factory work.... working hard, for little pay and extra house in poor conditions...

kick out all the imigrants.....

(yes there are wasters, imigrant and native, all wasters should be deported I say.... one in one out founds fair.... )
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they get an extra house ? isnt 1 enough for them ?

you found this one in one out system to be fair ?

i'd say it doesnt sound fair at all, it sounds like what americans done to the native indians
 
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