Largish Family Car - SUV?

[GarethSouthgate]

Just not fast enough, same as Lexus just don't seem to want to put punchy engines in the range. That's where BMW and Audi et al win out.

Lexus are too luxurious, don't need the speed when you're waiting along in peace and harmony! And the older ISF and GSF certainly had a bit of poke to them! LC500? RCF too!

 

[sx_turbo]

Lexus are too luxurious, don't need the speed when you're waiting along in peace and harmony! And the older ISF and GSF certainly had a bit of poke to them! LC500? RCF too!

I mean in terms of daily driving. The isf and gsf were to compete again the S, AMG and m range of vehicles.

But there isn't much to compete in the way of BMW's straight 6 turbo or 4 pot turbo, nothing that can compete with the 3ltr TDI either, all are brisk luxury cruisers. Mercedes have their versatile 2ltr turbo and diesel engines, Audi the same and they've a V6 turbo aswell, all in cars that isn't the range topping halo vehicles.

I'm not talking balls out fast.

Mazda do have the 2.5 turbo 4 cylinder but it's fuel economy is woeful and like a 4.4 V8, with barely any more power than the VW/BMW/AMG 2.0ltr turbos

 

[Jonnycoupe]

V8 was the answer but now you are a Jpaul simp going for an ID.7. Mind you once you tell him about it he will know even more