I feel like it's impossible to know. For the price hike to be justified purely on Ray Tracing, which features in a handful of games, I just have a hard time believing that Nvidia could be that bold....surely they're backing that bluster up with some raw power and performance gains as we've seen before? In which case if a 2070 equates to a 1080ti then it'd be silly not to wait....but if it doesn't it'd be silly to wait....Arrogance and zero competition could just mean they're simply lining their pockets (whilst laughing maniacally).
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From what we've had rumoured so far, absolutely fear that you're correct, but just looking at some historical numbers over the last generations that's what we've come to expect (more or less).
It seems very unlikely that the 2070 will be faster than the 1080ti. For that to happen the 2080 would have to 25 to 30% faster than the 1080Ti. If that was the case surely Nvidia would be shouting it from the roof tops? Especially when there are still pre-orders available for the 2080. When the Marketing director of their company comes out in an interview and says the performance increase is going to be 35% to 45% faster than the previous generation, and that he thinks the 2080 will be faster than the 1080ti in some games. You have to ask yourself why would he lie? There is nothing to be gained from it. They have no competition. If he came out and said the 2080 would be 25% faster than the 1080ti, a lot more people would be buying one. But because he gave figures that make the 2080 on par with the 1080ti, people are hesitating and it also means that the 2070 will be a lot slower than the 1080ti. How does sand bagging at this stage help anything??
Ive got an i5 4750 which I’ll upgrade soon. Looking at GPU just now.
Is it sensible to buy 1080ti now for longevity or wait for the gamble of say the 2070 for prices and performance?
Would hate to wait only for increases then 2000 being out of price range.
Usual demand and supply conundrum.
Zero competition plays a huge part I reckon. But will AMD respond?
Is a VEGA 64 a steal??
At this stage no one really knows but on paper 2070 is looking slower than 1080ti (cuda cores, bandwidth, clock speeds etc). You could always wait for 2080 benchies to hit in a few days time - if they are level pegging with 1080ti then you know 2070 will be slower.
The pricing is also a sign to me anyway that 2070 will be slower otherwise 1080ti would tank to below 2070 price
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But there's DLSS which may boost the performance where it's used to allow the 2070 to get pretty close to the old Ti. If all new games use that then it'll be neck and neck I reckon (win some, lose some)which is also what we have come to expect from previous generations, well, at least 9 series to 10 anyway
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Sorry Cita, only just seeing this post now. If Ray Tracing doesn't interest you and your budget is deciding between the 1080Ti and the 2070, hmmm, I would buy the 1080Ti. I know the 2070 will have DLSS, but, how good will it be on lower cards. And besides, DLSS is only going to be used in handful of games.
I wouldn't buy for longevity now. 7nm will be out in the next year. These cards are just a stop gap. You will be better able to tell are the new tech like DLSS and Ray Tracing blooming or bombing. The 7nm cards will be the ones that should offer better longevity than the turing cards.
LOL sorry,how does this help your question? I don't know. What monitor and GPU do you have at the moment?
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Depends what you want to do on what display I guess. If you have a freesync screen perhaps get the V64. If you running 1080p then 1080ti will be overkill, may as well get a 2070 and the new tech, same for 1440p 60hz. Ultrawide and 4k you will need the grunt so if you want max fps then 1080ti if you after best image quality then probably roll the dice on the 2070.
It would be the first real high end build as normally go for middle range hence the i5 4750. Maybe go for middle ground again and save for upgrade in a couple of years.
i.e. go for 2600x and 1070?
R9 380 2GB and 2 x 24” 1080p 60hz, basic Dell Office type monitors.
Think the 2GB is a limiting factor now.
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Do you plan to upgrade your monitors any time soon? any of the current Pascal cards will be a huge upgrade for you.
Yes, plan to upgrade monitor but was down the list as last upgrade.
Good to know about the Pascal cards.
Will a 4750 and 16Gb ram still be ok if I just got a GPU, say 1070/ti?
Main reason for upgrade is pretty serious flight simming with DCS and X-Plane 11.
And hopefully at high settings.
Was looking at 2700x but they seem to have skyrocketed in price too!
Anyway, apologies if I’ve steered this thread off topic
Yes, plan to upgrade monitor but was down the list as last upgrade.
Good to know about the Pascal cards.
Will a 4750 and 16Gb ram still be ok if I just got a GPU, say 1070/ti?
Main reason for upgrade is pretty serious flight simming with DCS and X-Plane 11.
And hopefully at high settings.
Was looking at 2700x but they seem to have skyrocketed in price too!
Anyway, apologies if I’ve steered this thread off topic
Ok, I am going to recommend you consider what monitor you are going to get first. Since you are into flight sims, I would think about getting an Ultra wide monitor. I think it would be wasted money if you buy a GPU now, then buy a high res monitor later that GPU isn't suitable for. And I also think it would equally wasted money if you buy a 1080ti/2070 now and don't intend to upgrade your monitor for a long time. The 1080ti will be wasted at 1080p.
1440p super wide monitors are expensive though.
Your CPU and ram is fine for any of the Pascal cards under the 1080ti as long as you turn the graphic settings up and getting a higher res monitor will help reduce any bottleneck.
Also, I think you should stick to a Nvidia GPU they seem to work better in DCS.
Since you were considering a 1080ti or a 2070, I presume you have a pretty good budget?
Ok, thanks, would never thought that way.
Also play other games and finding I have to now use lower and lower settings, BF1 for instance! (Flight sims aren’t games as the FSim community always say ha!)
Budget for total system of CPU plus cooler if overclocking day an 8600k, motherboard, memory and case.
£1200 max.
I’ll check out monitors.
Happy to think about monitor first and keeping the 4750. See how CPUs pan out in another year or so.
Then get an appropriate GPU.
Think my high end Ideal was sparked by being on flight sim forums where people are using very highly detailed 3D terrains and flying over cities really stresses CPU and GPU.
Those with obviously big pockets recommend Intel and Nvidia only with i7 8700k OC’d to 5 GHz to get high graphic settings. Single core speed still the main factor but they going from Open-GL to Vulkan soon so who knows if more cores will count?
X-Plane is a real System, CPU & GPU killer and amazes me that more benchmark sites don’t use it.
I think they take the payment straight away.
They take money when you place the order. I think if you use amazon pay it’s only when they have the item ready to ship, that’s what happened when I brought a pre build last year, took payment a week after I placed the order and a day before it shipped.
News on Pascal prices & supply, looks to be here for the holiday season as well, being sold in tandem with Turing. Pricing makes more sense now, they are covering every $ range.