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melmac said:
What throw away comments? The performance numbers are coming from Nvidia slides, Nvidia's demos, Nvidia's Marketing Manager, The developers themselves. The only two real unknowns are how much real time ray tracing are the developers going to sacrifice to get playable framerates and how well will DLSS will work and is it easily integrated into new games and is there any hope of it been used in older games. In my mind DLSS will be turn out to be the best feature of these new cards performance wise.
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Not really, you have 1 slide which shows that currently it performs anything from 35% - 65% faster in a few games spread across a few genre in certain settings, a technical marketing manager who says he thinks it will probably be 35-45% faster, some developers who say they haven't even started to optimise it properly yet but it might be 60fps/1080 or maybe 60fps/1440, one who thinks his game is 80fps/4k with raytracing enabled depending on how much raytracing they put in. The same slide that says the magic sauce DLSS massively improves the speeds to twice that of pascal. Reviewers being held back with NDA because they haven't finished the drivers. A bunch of leaked benchmarks from a completely different set of games that show a 20%-35% improvement - no driver support? A presentation which avoids any promises of performance other than raytracing - I guess its clear that in that area it is massively faster. Very early demos of raytracing at HD resolution presumably not indicative of the final product, as developers only had the cards for a couple of weeks and used volta to try and get it to work.

If you can say with any final degree of certainty what the performance of these cards will be on the 20th of September then you clearly know something I don't. I also don't know when you will be able to actually use the raytracing functionality as the only thing that is clear about that is it won't be ready until october, and that is if anything actually supports it at its launch. It's entirely possible we may have to wait longer for patches, presumably causing even more debate.

All the information to date is full of contradictions and only seems to show they haven't finished it yet so even they couldn't tell you exactly how it sits.

Which takes me back to the original point, it could be a lot quicker than a 1080ti, there just isn't any reliable way to tell just yet. The only people telling us anything don't know anymore than us.
 
jjgreenwood said:
The only people telling us anything don't know anymore than us.
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You are saying that the Technical Marketing Manager of Nvidia doesn't know the performance of the cards? And I did say in my post that the only performance numbers we don't know are the final Ray Tracing ones and DLSS but He has told us what the performance will be in normal games. It's going to be a lot faster than the 1080ti when Ray Tracing and DLSS are used, that's a given as the 1080Ti doesn't even have hardware capable of doing those things. Even if they are getting 20fps at 1080p in Ray Tracing, that's going to be way faster than the 0fps the 1080ti gets.

Drivers, optimisations will improve things with Ray Tracing and we know this the developers have said so, but, it's going to be reducing the amount of Ray Tracing used, the developers have told us this too. But, those optimisations are only for Ray Tracing games.
 
melmac said:
You are saying that the Technical Marketing Manager of Nvidia doesn't know the performance of the cards? And I did say in my post that the only performance numbers we don't know are the final Ray Tracing ones and DLSS but He has told us what the performance will be in normal games. It's going to be a lot faster than the 1080ti when Ray Tracing and DLSS are used, that's a given as the 1080Ti doesn't even have hardware capable of doing those things. Even if they are getting 20fps at 1080p in Ray Tracing, that's going to be way faster than the 0fps the 1080ti gets.

Drivers, optimisations will improve things with Ray Tracing and we know this the developers have said so, but, it's going to be reducing the amount of Ray Tracing used, the developers have told us this too. But, those optimisations are only for Ray Tracing games.
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I doubt he does as his estimates are different to the marketing slides his department has put out. I think that at the time of the presentation and during that week they didn't have final drivers, they had done some work on some games to see what was possible but they still didn't really know what they had. I suspect the performance slide was a quick and dirty botch job of their best results so far, I suspect that at the time they were far from finished and the last thing he wanted to do was promise something that could not be delivered. The slide was put out there because they saw the backlash from the lack of performance numbers.

Look at the supposed leaks like this:

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...k-leak-shows-rtx-2080ti-performance-in-games/

COD WW2 & Witcher 3 brings down that average like the article says, if the benchmarks are true and so many other titles are getting a 50% boost is that just lack of optimisation and lack of work through drivers?

Of course we don't know how true all the leaks are but I'd say you can't assume it's only 35% better card for card to current gen. It would be unlike Nvidia to increase the price so much if they didn't have the tech to back it up, it would not surprise me to see an average 50% improvement, plus further gains with DLSS.
 
melmac said:
A lot of wishful thinking there. A 2080 isn't looking it will beat a 1080Ti never mind a 2070. And not sure what you mean by Skipped a generation? There was no generation skipped. In fact, it's not even a proper node shrink, so the gains in performance won't even come close to the levels that happened between Maxwell and Pascal. And Maxwell to Pascal was a skipped generation, a double die shrink if you want, they went from 28nm to 16nm skipping 20nm.
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The 2080 will beat the 1080Ti but not by much. However even if it's only 5% performance increase I myself will be happy as really all us 2080 preorderes want is for the 2080 to beat the 1080Ti so we can poke fun of people who decided to purchase a 2 year old card for MSRP price 2 weeks before the RTX launch.
 
Any chance we can keep the 20** talk to the other threads (poll and speculation threads)? Just realised this one is about the 10 series deals OCUK have put together. I'm reading the same rubbish here now as in the other two 20 series threads.
 
Sasahara said:
This doesn't make sense. So the 1080 was worth buying at £600, but now you don't think it's worth £500?

So can you explain why? What has come out that makes in not worth that much? :)
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I know where you are coming from but arguably on launch the 1080 was the best mainstream card you can buy (i.e. ignoring Titan etc) whereas now you can get something better. So it has lost the 'elite tier' premium
Equally if you wanted to save money back then the only option was 1070 but now you can go with 1070ti which isn't far behind the 1080 and can be had for under £400. Or a Vega64 also cheaper than £500.

In other words, although we haven't seen the traditional progress in the past two years, the market has filled out with more alternatives, you can get almost 1080 performance for a fair chunk less than £500.
 
HangTime said:
I know where you are coming from but arguably on launch the 1080 was the best mainstream card you can buy (i.e. ignoring Titan etc) whereas now you can get something better. So it has lost the 'elite tier' premium
Equally if you wanted to save money back then the only option was 1070 but now you can go with 1070ti which isn't far behind the 1080 and can be had for under £400. Or a Vega64 also cheaper than £500.

In other words, although we haven't seen the traditional progress in the past two years, the market has filled out with more alternatives, you can get almost 1080 performance for a fair chunk less than £500.
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Decent way of looking at it. The price point of that level of performance has come down, so much so I find it slightly difficult to believe that the 2070 approaching £600 will be remotely competitive.
 
DarrenM343 said:
Any chance we can keep the 20** talk to the other threads (poll and speculation threads)? Just realised this one is about the 10 series deals OCUK have put together. I'm reading the same rubbish here now as in the other two 20 series threads.
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Surely tho you'd want to wait and see what the 20xx reviews were like, this close to NDA lift, before buying a 100xx series card?
 
Another big retailer has almost sold out of their aorus 1080ti deal.

They have 15 now only 4. I saw the price go up (£820) and then come down again in a few hours.

If their stock count is accurate people are buying.
 
FoxEye said:
Surely tho you'd want to wait and see what the 20xx reviews were like, this close to NDA lift, before buying a 100xx series card?
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The thread topic is about last round of deals on the 1080 and 1080 Ti. A mention,sure,but not the "lets go round in circles again with rumour, leaks, so and so said as per two other threads" :).
The better 1080 Ti deal ends next week (will be £50 more I think) so people can make their own mind up whether £600 is worth it to them now.
£500 would be better of course :p
 
lnoton said:
Another big retailer has almost sold out of their aorus 1080ti deal.

They have 15 now only 4. I saw the price go up (£820) and then come down again in a few hours.

If their stock count is accurate people are buying.
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I really wonder where all the hundreds of thousands of units nV "forced" AIB partners to take - where and what it is?
 
It's all a lot of nonense. Hyberbole galore...people spouting what they think is right but based on false information.

Basically consumers always get screwed. There is no such thing as a deal lol.
DarrenM343 said:
The thread topic is about last round of deals on the 1080 and 1080 Ti. A mention,sure,but not the "lets go round in circles again with rumour, leaks, so and so said as per two other threads" :).
The better 1080 Ti deal ends next week (will be £50 more I think) so people can make their own mind up whether £600 is worth it to them now.
£500 would be better of course :p
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I think we will see 550 in a couple of weeks.
 
Meh. Also this title is about the last round of deals from nvidia? So perhaps Nvidia and AIB joint offers .. in good time perhaps AIBs alone.will be discounting the card.
 
FoxEye said:
I really wonder where all the hundreds of thousands of units nV "forced" AIB partners to take - where and what it is?
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I think they are the 70 series and below chips, not so much the 80/80Ti. Gibbo hinted at that with the only 2 EOL parts being the 1080/1080Ti. (He said "all remaining GPU to board partners as board parters shall now fulfill 1070Ti and below")

It would also make sense that these extra GPU chips ordered were to fulfil an expected mining demand, which miners preferred 1060/1070 class of GPU's.

I suspect the offers on these cards will happen when the 2060/2050 are announced
 
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