** Leopard is here! ** Ships 26th October! **

LordSplodge said:
I got OS X running under VMWare but it sucked. Badly.

OS X can stay on Macs thank you. If you want in you know the price...
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Yea, this person has it natively running, but after seeing my MBP they want one :cool: but are struggling to justify the money! (Just finished Uni, first job etc so cant magic up £££)

But as I've said before, my MBP is my first experience of OS X, and I'm sticking with it :D
 
Maybe I'm just being thick, but can someone explain to me how lieing about being a student to get this for £58 is any different to just downloading it from a licensing point of view?
 
Caged said:
Maybe I'm just being thick, but can someone explain to me how lieing about being a student to get this for £58 is any different to just downloading it from a licensing point of view?
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The student version is exactly the same. There isn't any difference at all, it's not even printed on the packaging iirc. Students get discounts on almost all apple stuff.
 
I realise how it works, I'm just saying if you as an individual were aiming to be legally licensed, then it makes no difference whether you pirate it or buy from the Education store when you aren't a student.

Maybe the warm fuzzy feeling you get from at least giving Apple some money makes it OK?
 
Caged said:
Maybe I'm just being thick, but can someone explain to me how lieing about being a student to get this for £58 is any different to just downloading it from a licensing point of view?
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From a licensing point of view it's not very different, although at least paying something for it and contributing isn't as wrong as downloading and burning.
 
I could have had Leopard agggggges ago (I know some who's got a premier ADC account), or I could have pirated it a week after launch.

.. I'd just rather pay Apple some money for their efforts (hence why I'd rather pay £58 than the full whack).. £60 is a sweet spot for me :)
 
Last time I checked Apple didn't allow you to decide what you paid for their products though. I fancy a new iMac but for me the sweet spot is around £600, so I'm guessing in your world I could just grab one out the store and leave £600 on the counter?

I'm not bothered in the slightest that you got it on the cheap, I could get a copy of it for around the Higher Ed. price through a corporate discount, but I'm going to wait and see what people's reactions to it is first. Just don't go kidding yourself that you're somehow in a better position than the guy who downloads it on the day of release and installs it on his Dell.
 
Caged said:
Last time I checked Apple didn't allow you to decide what you paid for their products though. I fancy a new iMac but for me the sweet spot is around £600, so I'm guessing in your world I could just grab one out the store and leave £600 on the counter?

I'm not bothered in the slightest, I could get a copy of it for around the Higher Ed. price through a corporate discount, but I'm going to wait and see what people's reactions to it is first. Just don't go kidding yourself that you're somehow in a better position than the guy who downloads it on the day of release and installs it on his Dell.
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I'm under no illusions that I'm better than a pirate.. I'm just saying that I feel a bit better knowing that they get some money off me; whereas they'd get none if I was a pirate too.

Legally, I could be buying on behalf of my brother in education though.. it's up to someone to prove me wrong ;)
 
Go and pay silly amounts for Vista Ultimate if you want a new OS for your PC. ;)

Edit: Erm.. In response to the last page... :(
 
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I prefer the price of £5.95 for 10.5! :D Mind you I have just recently given them a large amount of cash for my MacBook and Nano...

Caged: being licensed is better than just downloading and if Apple can be bothered to check peoples student status then that's their fault. People blagging student discounts are just doing what people do - getting the best deal!
 
How soon after 10.5 is out will apple update their laptop range with the new OS?

Edit: sorry ignore this nooby post, just read their site.. £5.95!
 
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LordSplodge said:
Caged: being licensed is better than just downloading
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I don't want to get into an argument, but simply put if you claim to be a student when you aren't, then you aren't licensed. It's exactly the same as if I went out and bought an Academic upgrade to Windows XP - I paid money, it activates, but I'm not complying with the terms of the license agreement if I don't qualify for academic status.

From a purely black-and-white legal perspective, it's no different to grabbing a copy off your favourite Torrent site. This is fine if people accept it, and they feel that giving Apple a smaller amount of cash in return for getting a nice box and DVD to go along with their unlicensed OS is worth doing, but please don't try and justify it or claim to have a license to use that product.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be doing exactly the same in this situation, but that's only because I think running an OS that you downloaded from an unknown source is a bit foolish.
 
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Caged said:
I don't want to get into an argument, but simply put if you claim to be a student when you aren't, then you aren't licensed. It's exactly the same as if I went out and bought an Academic upgrade to Windows XP - I paid money, it activates, but I'm not complying with the terms of the license agreement if I don't qualify for academic status.

From a purely black-and-white legal perspective, it's no different to grabbing a copy off your favourite Torrent site. This is fine if people accept it, and they feel that giving Apple a smaller amount of cash in return for getting a nice box and DVD to go along with their unlicensed OS is worth doing, but please don't try and justify it or claim to have a license to use that product.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be doing exactly the same in this situation, but that's only because I think running an OS that you downloaded from an unknown source is a bit foolish.
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But it isn't black and white is it?

He is still paying for it - it's just the same as my dad asking me to buy him a copy through the university as I can buy it cheaper for him.

The guy is buying it, and is having a legal copy - there isn't a specific version of "student" OS X - it's just the same version with a price cut. They wouldn't sell it if they didn't make any money at that price - I also don't get where this "licence" comes in - there isn't a license for students, it's an OS X licence, and as he is buying OS X legally, he is abiding by that licence.

Stop being an arse - he is paying for a product, you are making yourself out to be so squeeky clean!

Does that mean that when my dad buys things for me but says he is a student it is all wrong? He only does it because I am a student - but technically it is him buying it!

Rich
 
I'm currently a student. I'm about to buy a MBP with the student discount. I will cease being a student in July 08. Do you suggest I pay the difference when I stop being a student?

Panzer
 
Panzerbjorn said:
I'm currently a student. I'm about to buy a MBP with the student discount. I will cease being a student in July 08. Do you suggest I pay the difference when I stop being a student?

Panzer
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Don't be silly, student discount is for everyone to pretend they are students forever..
 
Justin said:
Don't be silly, student discount is for everyone to pretend they are students forever..
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But it isn't that big a deal though is it? If apple thought it was that big a deal they would have tightened the reigns on this years ago.

However...

People are still legally buying there software and not out right pirating it - just telling a little white lie about being a student.

Rich
 
titchard said:
But it isn't that big a deal though is it? If apple thought it was that big a deal they would have tightened the reigns on this years ago.

However...

People are still legally buying there software and not out right pirating it - just telling a little white lie about being a student.

Rich
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Yep, can't see any problems with it.

If they're making it easy for us to just tell white lies, then it's their own problem tbh.

EVH does it still..

EVH said:
I have been out of uni for 2 years ;)

Just ring up and pretend tbh.

..I've done it so many times they don't question me anymore; I just say "I ordered xxx recently, you probably have my details from before" and they take it as proof now.

My secret then is if I want to order a second laptop/computer/software I just give my .mac address (different order history from my regular Apple ID) with the same excuse.. they can't cross trace my orders so I end up beating the system by default (system takes them as 2 separate customers)
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