Lets make a list of over-rated players

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Dani Alves ^

Really? I'd say he wasn't to shabby[/QUOTE]

Should you really be judging a defender based on how many goals and assists they've got? Surely judge them more on their ability in and around their own box not their opponents.
 
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Should you really be judging a defender based on how many goals and assists they've got? Surely judge them more on their ability in and around their own box not their opponents.

There is a really good article on Zonal Marking about him, Sid Lowe wrote a good article about him as well. He's a great player. Getting forward is what his game's about, or about as much as his defensive duty.
 
You'll get the odd person doing that yes, but we're adults, those posts can be ignored. I didn't start this thread to cause controversy, I don't even support a football team.

Surely you must have an opinion on a player you feel doesn't deserve the praise he gets?
Be nice if you could actually post a critique though. Make it vaguely amusing and/or interesting. Listing random names just leads to people going "OMG HES NOT OVERRATED!" or joke posts like several in here.
 
There is a really good article on Zonal Marking about him, Sid Lowe wrote a good article about him as well. He's a great player. Getting forward is what his game's about, or about as much as his defensive duty.

Oh I do think he's a good player I'm just saying that I don't think that the first thing you should look for in a defender is his goals and assists. I guess he doesn't really get tested that much in Spain, I'm not doubting his ability to get forward and contribute though. :p
 
One issue is with La Liga and the style of the league, I don't think its any worse than the EPL at all at the moment, but its a different style, Italian league is much slower, top to bottom, EPL loves its 4-5-1 at the moment with bottom teams over the past 7-8 years often parking the bus, though more recently you've got a few teams that go all out banana's trying to win games, those guys are at the bottom while teams that more often park the bus are doing far better than they ever used to. Stoke, Sunderland(sometimes), Bolton, Blackburn but even most of those are more offensive than they used to be.

La Liga though, its just about balls out football at times, teams rightly have a go at Barca now and then, and often after goign 1-0 down they will attack more, La Liga in general don't seem to care about goal difference and the end of the season, but about attacking footie.

Barca/Real beat teams 7-0 far more regularly than EPL teams do, as such the worst players in the team have much improved stats vs the worst in the EPL. Arsenal go away to stoke and scrape a 1-0, Barca go away to Levante and have trouble keeping it in the single digits.

Alves's crossing is, wild would be a fair word, he puts it behind the goal or out for a throw more often than getting it in the box, he takes a lot of freekicks and Barca are very good at reacting and getting the tap ins. Alves also does what Ronaldo does a lot, shoots frequently, with power, but often drops for other players to tap in. He's quite horrible defensively, is one of the worst divers/cheats in world football and isn't nearly as good as people think offensively.

If he played the same role at Chelsea he'd have 1/4 of the assists.
 
Oh I do think he's a good player I'm just saying that I don't think that the first thing you should look for in a defender is his goals and assists. I guess he doesn't really get tested that much in Spain, I'm not doubting his ability to get forward and contribute though. :p

I think people downplay his defensive work, he's a very good defender and reads the game very well. His defensive work isn't his priority at Barca, as it's not their style to have defined positions. It's a very total football style of play in the final third for them.

He's good defensively, just doesn't need to show it much at Barca.
 
huh? I am pretty sure Alves doesn't take many free kicks especially as the vast majority of them are quickly taken and even the ones that aren't xavi/messi get over them

I also don't think he shoots to often? He does get some decent crosses in but hes also lethal and running into the box and behind the defending team and cutting a ball back in.
 
It's lead into discussion from what i've noticed?
Yeah, dull discussion.


If people are going to name players they dislike, at least put some honest-to-goodness bile in it, so I can find something amusing. Tell me you hate Fabregas' stupid beard and blatent desire to be in Spain instead of London, rather than just naming him in some kind of "Ooooh I'm so controversial" list-fest.

Some bod said:
Didier Drogba/Fernando Torres/Paul Scholes/Maradona
Another bod said:
What?? He isn't overrated are you mad he's one of the best strikers/midfielders/defenders/tea makers in the world!!!
Yet another said:
David Bellion/Eric Djemba-Djemba/Pascal Cygan/Stoke
Etc etc said:
lol what no-one rated him he was rubbish lol

Yawn.
 
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