"Leytonstone Tube station stabbing a 'terrorist incident'" - BBC

Danthus · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:13

The Guardian is reporting an eye witness saying that attacker was performing a "sawing action" with the knife.

Glaucus · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:14

Alex_6n2 said:
Yes he did, but there is no context any further than "Syria"

He could be opposed to the Assad regime, he could be opposed to the UKs bombing of Syria and the idea of potential civilian deaths as a result or he could even know a Sunni rebel that was caught in the crossfire somewhere.

Why does what he shouted automatically associate him with the Daesh ideals?

The conflict over there is EXTREMELY complicated, and far more than just "Daesh vs the West"

It doesn't matter.its still politically motivated and as such terrorism. Doesn't matter which side he's on. Most people haven't called him an IS terrorism for that reason.

DJMK4 · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:17

OldCoals said:
The Guardian is reporting an eye witness saying that attacker was performing a "sawing action" with the knife.

What the hell is a sawing action

What people have to remember as well, this does seem more like a lone wolf attack. Its not as easy as it is to obtain heavy guns like they have coming from the middle east, Russia etc like they get in Europe style attacks. And we are not in US where they can pick up guns without any effort.he may have not been part of a bigger ring and have links to build stuff.

So knife attacks would be easy to plan, quick and easy to hide and pull off

Like the Lee rigby attack

scorza · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:20

DJMK4 said:
What the hell is a sawing action lol

Never sawed anything? It's a back and forth movement - I guess you probably have to use a sawing motion while beheading someone.

manoz · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:20

#YouAintNoMuslimBruv - at least someone's got some common sense

Caged · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:21

scorza said:
Never sawed anything? It's a back and forth movement - I guess you probably have to use a sawing motion while beheading someone.

Not if the Saudi's have gifted you a special sword

scorza · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:26

Caged said:
Not if the Saudi's have gifted you a special sword

True but they only tend to behead people who are murderers, traitors or gangsters - not journalists or aid workers because they're not Muslims.

Caged · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:27

Yeah those people are what the stones are for

dowie · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:29

Alex_6n2 said:
Yes he did, but there is no context any further than "Syria"

He could be opposed to the Assad regime, he could be opposed to the UKs bombing of Syria and the idea of potential civilian deaths as a result or he could even know a Sunni rebel that was caught in the crossfire somewhere.

Why does what he shouted automatically associate him with the Daesh ideals?

The conflict over there is EXTREMELY complicated, and far more than just "Daesh vs the West"

no one said he was ISIS, just that it was a terror incident - his personal views about Assad aren't too relevant

you're arguing against something no one has claimed... aka a straw man

scorza · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:29

Caged said:
(... anti-Western BS...)

Presumably you can prove that Saudi Arabia has executed someone for not being a Muslim?

Caged · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:32

Saying people get stoned in Saudi Arabia is anti-Western? :confused:

TheVoice · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:33

Alex_6n2 said:
The point I'm trying to make is that the word Terrorism is banded about without true context.

The context for the investigation being led by counter-terrorism officers is his shouting "This is for Syria". If it later transpires the man was suffering mental health issues and has no links to terrorism then fine, but the correct resources need to be in place at the initial stages for obvious reasons.

scorza · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:36

Caged said:
Saying people get stoned in Saudi Arabia is anti-Western?

Why bring them up in this thread then?

Mynight · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:38

scorza said:
Presumably you can prove that Saudi Arabia has executed someone for not being a Muslim?

There's a fair few cases of people being sentenced to death for Apostasy however I cant find any reports of the sentence being carried out.

Or do you mean they weren't muslim in the first place?

Twirlywoos · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:40

manoz said:
#YouAintNoMuslimBruv - at least someone's got some common sense

I saw that on Twitter trend and it's a load of crap tbh and is just a sensationalist fad. Where common sense comes into this is anyone's guess. What gives them the right to call takfir on another Muslim? If you are a Muslim yourself then you are as dumb witted as the person who started trending that.

Condemn the act, yes! and understand the reason for their political or even personal motivation to carry it out.

Caged · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:41

I guess it depends if you're looking for the punishment of not being Muslim, or the punishment for practising a different religion, in which case you could fall foul of the idolatry law as well.

Apostasy laws can be abused quite easily.

manoz · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:45

Twirlywoos said:
I saw that on Twitter trend and it's a load of crap tbh and is just a sensationalist fad. Where common sense comes into this is anyone's guess. What gives them the right to call takfir on another Muslim? If you are a Muslim yourself then you are as dumb witted as the person who started trending that.

Condemn the act, yes! and understand the reason for their political or even personal motivation to carry it out.

It's not just a hastag, someone shouts it in the video. That's where it came from.

koolpc · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:55

Obviously not a true muslim who carries out such a cowardly act! I applaud the person shouting out at them that they are not a true Muslim

Rosbif · 6 Dec 2015 at 13:58

I'm so cynical that when I heard the guy shout 'You aint no muslim' the first thing I thought was who exactly is he saying that to?

SciNeT · 6 Dec 2015 at 14:00

manoz said:
#YouAintNoMuslimBruv - at least someone's got some common sense

#SameAfterTheNextAttack