seeing as it has been around for a while, I'm guessing it's not illegal. Same way insurance companys can charge more to men. it's done on statistics.
Lids off when buying petrol
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seeing as it has been around for a while, I'm guessing it's not illegal. Same way insurance companys can charge more to men. it's done on statistics.
The rule is not bikers must remove their helmets though. Usually it just says helmets, however some places just say we must be able to see your face, some say helmets only but then ask people in hoodys to remove their hood.
And as I said, I have been asked to remove the balaclava (wasnt even a full face one) even after removing my helmet before.
Yes, but a regulationa bout what you may or may not wear on premices is not based on statistics
He's not, please go and learn how laws are enforced.
The rule requesting all bikers remove their helmets (or show their faces) does not discriminate against anyone based on race, religion, gender, sexuality, disability, and so is perfectly legal. The only discrimination in the law is against bikers.
The rule seldom says "bikers" on it. As pointed out, round here it will either say "remove helmet" (no mention of bikers), or "we must be able to see your face for security reasons when we serve you".
The first one might just be able to slip in, HOWEVER the reason given for the rule when asked is that "it's for security", meaning it sits with the 2nd rule stated, as such is potentially discriminating as they do not apply the same rule to other head covering people.
Making an exception for religious reasons is not illegal discrimination under the law... If it was then pretty much every company dress code would be illegal.
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Yea but its hearing the pump number thats the problem, plus half the time people dont remember it (god knows how as they were looking at it 10s ago!) and so have to faff about trying to find it. When someones wearing a helmet this becomes an even more arduos task! plus are you saying you never buy anything else at a petrol sation other than fuel? never had to ask for anything behind the counter? If so then you are in the distinct minority.
And can you stop calling us all spotty little teenagers? Its tiresome and just because we're serving you doesnt mean we're any less human, you ****
Actually it is, not under the new rules that came in I think 12 months ago?
You cannot discriminate based on a person's religion or lack of religion. I believe several cases of schools banning full head gear on teachers are in court right now due to this new regulation.
Come on fella, no personal insults please.
Those aren't examples of exceptions due to religious beliefs, they are examples of a lack of exception. Time will tell what the courts will rule. Even under prior discrimination legislation, having or not having an exemption for religion was considered ok, and the restrictions on pupils and teachers who refused to remove them were upheld by the HoL.
FWIW, I firmly back the right of petrol stations to demand muslim women (or anyone else for that matter) uncover their face prior to service. It should be their right to decide who they ask to uncover and who they do not. Mainly I disagree with your presentation of the issue as some sort of unfair discrimination against bikers.
I see them too, and to be fair I nearly always take my lid off. I think the OP was just expressing his dissatisfaction at being treated like a criminal, when he's not. Bikers do get unfairly categorised as dodgy.
You don't see a difference beween a hijab and a full motorcycle helmet? The ability to identify someone in a hijab is much higher than someone wearing a motorcycle helmet.
Well fwiw at my local i rarely take my lid off, i will flip the front up (yeah i know!)
only on one occasion i've been kinda asked to remove it was by some tit who didnt know how to operate the tannoy and was stood waving his arms about like crazy, thought he was after a wasp or somethin at 1st.
It's not a biggy to remove it as i usually whip the gloves off so i can get the money out anyways, even the D ring fasteners aint hard, so were talking 30 secs to a minute?
Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do to get sorted & get gone, it's probably quicker and easier than making a fuss.
only on one occasion i've been kinda asked to remove it was by some tit who didnt know how to operate the tannoy and was stood waving his arms about like crazy, thought he was after a wasp or somethin at 1st.
It's not a biggy to remove it as i usually whip the gloves off so i can get the money out anyways, even the D ring fasteners aint hard, so were talking 30 secs to a minute?
Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do to get sorted & get gone, it's probably quicker and easier than making a fuss.
I've not been riding long, but I've only once had an issue with this, at Tesco. I had filled up there about 10 time since getting the Ninja, and each time I was able to pay with my helmet on, even with the dark visor down more than once.
One day I get some right grumpy **** who was complaining that she couldn't hear me (she served me once before with it on though
) - she mutted that there was a sign about taking your lid off - I apologised that I didn't see it as it was so small, and through a long drawn out bout of huffing and puffing, she finally gave my card back.
When I fill up at a 'pay @ pump' station, I never take it off - the only exception would be if I'm going in to pay, and whilst it is still a hassle, I leave the ear plugs in
Scort.
One day I get some right grumpy **** who was complaining that she couldn't hear me (she served me once before with it on though
) - she mutted that there was a sign about taking your lid off - I apologised that I didn't see it as it was so small, and through a long drawn out bout of huffing and puffing, she finally gave my card back.When I fill up at a 'pay @ pump' station, I never take it off - the only exception would be if I'm going in to pay, and whilst it is still a hassle, I leave the ear plugs in
Scort.