Living with men 'makes women fat'

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Davey_Pitch said:
So you basically want every girl to conform to your vision of what is right? That's good of you.

If being healthy and not having heart and arterial problems at an early age counts as 'my vision', then yes.

If youre happy letting people live horribly unhealthy, depressed and short lives simply because youre afraid to hurt their feelings then thats good of you.
 
Balddog said:
If being healthy and not having heart and arterial problems at an early age counts as 'my vision', then yes.

If youre happy letting people live horribly unhealthy, depressed and short lives simply because youre afraid to hurt their feelings then thats good of you.

I'm happy to let people lead lives they're happy leading. If they're happy with themselves and enjoying their lives, I couldn't give a monkey's whether they're overweight or not.

And saying that people that are overweight are unhealthy, depressed and will live short lives is so short sighted it's laughable.
 
Balddog said:
If youre happy letting people live horribly unhealthy, depressed and short lives simply because youre afraid to hurt their feelings then thats good of you.

Bit of a sweeping statement, and slightly annoying.

Your apparant obsession* with this attitude towards 'fat' people is maybe the most unhealthy thing here.

*obsession maybe too strong a term, it's just that the only posts I seem to notice of yours appear to be on this subject.
 
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Balddog said:
If being healthy and not having heart and arterial problems at an early age counts as 'my vision', then yes.

If youre happy letting people live horribly unhealthy, depressed and short lives simply because youre afraid to hurt their feelings then thats good of you.

So is the justification that its OK to take the mickey out of fatties because by making them feel miserable about themselves you are actually saving their lives?

MB
 
Murf said:
Who's buying these magazines that perpetuate the stereotype though? It's mainly the women, so maybe if people stopped buying magazines that made them hate their own bodies they'd be in a better state of mind when it comes to their own size.

I don't tend to buy these magines but they are often around the house. You'll see that the mags that perpetuate the stereotype are selling so much because they all claim to tell you how you can become part of that stereotype too!

Realistically though it is very hard to get that figure, and when women fail they feel worse for it :(
 
Matblack said:
So is the justification that its OK to take the mickey out of fatties because by making them feel miserable about themselves you are actually saving their lives?

Being 'a little on the podgy side' is one thing, but lets not forget that in general, obesity is anything but desirable. It carries numerous, well known physical health effects. Or are we saying now that we should ignore this because it's discriminating to single out those that are severely overweight?
 
Davey_Pitch said:
So you basically want every girl to conform to your vision of what is right? That's good of you.

I think the point he is trying to make is that people are getting fatter and fatter, so size related illness are increasing. Instead of telling them it's ok you're beautiful in you're own way, we should be saying you are running the risk of causing yourself serious illness if you do not change your lifestyle. Whats more important peoples feelings or their health?
 
Fusion said:
Being 'a little on the podgy side' is one thing, but lets not forget that in general, obesity is anything but desirable. It carries numerous, well known physical health effects. Or are we saying now that we should ignore this because it's discriminating to single out those that are severely overweight?

There is a difference between being hugely obese and overweight, and Balddog seems to be making no differentiation between the two.
 
Balddog said:
Sorry mate, but ive gotta ask this, have you ever actually seen one of these womens mags? I grew up with em, having a younger sister and I dunno what youre on about..

I live in a house full of them.

Look mate we're never going to agree on this our views are too far apart and if I remember correctly we've got to stalemate on this subject before. I work with girls (clients) who have eating disorders both over eating and under eating and the main reason cited when you get down to it is media pressure. The statements made by peers is just twisting the knife its not what does the initial damage, yes there are many other factors such as control but in many cases it down to image.

As I said earlier I'm not advocating that morbid obeasity should be promoted quite the contrary. I am however saying that people should not be the object of ridicule if they do not conform to the norm nor should they feel undue pressure to fit a mould.

Mb
 
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Balddog said:
I dont believe we do class beautiful as drastically underweight...Fashion models are not our ideals of beauty...I dont know ANYONE who thinks they are. Ask any guy on the street whether hed rather have rachel stevens or someone like jodie kidd, id put money on 99% saying stevens.
Most men would agree with you (myself included), but there's A LOT of guys out there who've basically adopted the "fashion model" ideal. They tend to be the youngish, fashion-conscious, club-going types, the ones that wear ridiculously tight jeans and put 5kg of gel on their hair before going out. They're also the ones that tend to care more about what a girl looks like on their arm than what she actually looks like, and wouldn't want to be seen with a girl their friends wouldn't be jealous of regardless of whether they themselves were attracted to her or not. Needless to say, any girl who gives a **** about what a **** like that thinks of her figure is as big an idiot as the **** himself. It's a seriously unhealthy mindset and a symptom of the effeminisation of men which has been the result of the growing adoption of female standards of beauty in fashion and elsewhere in the media generally.

Nevertheless it's clear from the comments in this thread that this isn't the attitude prevalent here, and some people's outbursts came completely out of left field IMHO. FWIW I got the impression that Balddog was talking about clinically obese women (in his more recent posts where he mentions 25st. women, not in his earlier jocular posts).

Matblack said:
he statements made by peers is just twisting the knife its not what does the initial damage, yes there are many other factors such as control but in many cases it down to image.
I don't agree with this attitude at all, and if dealing with eating disorders is part of your job I don't think it should be yours either. The root of the problem may be the anorexic standard of "beauty" promoted in the media, but people's (women's in particular) over-sensitivity to their weight is also part of it! Treading on egg-shells to avoid saying anything that might offend them just highlights the problem and makes them even more sensitive to it. If somebody is liable to break down in tears by reading a fat-joke that wasn't even aimed at them on a forum then they really need to develop thicker skin (no pun intended), otherwise they'll never ovecome their illness (and by "illness" I don't just mean the eating disorder itself but the skewed standard of thinness which led them to it).

Disclaimer: by people offense at fat jokes posted on forums I wasn't referring to Piggymon's post, who I suspect was offended more by the "she's nabbed someone so she doesn't care and is letting herself go" stereotype than by the fat jokes, although her post was misinterpreted (and this highlights how far on a tangent this thread has gone).
 
Kell_ee001 said:
I don't tend to buy these magines but they are often around the house. You'll see that the mags that perpetuate the stereotype are selling so much because they all claim to tell you how you can become part of that stereotype too!

Realistically though it is very hard to get that figure, and when women fail they feel worse for it :(


It's not that hard, just to what huge amount of supermodels do and stuff large amounts of coke up your nose. The whole thing about supermodels is it's a unnatural and unnaturally atainable figure, it's a case of you either have that figure or you don't, my Ex had it, she was about a size 6/8 and 6 foot tall, and had had modelling contracts thrown at her for years, but her mum was the same ad her sister who was a proper catwalk model was the same too, she was that size beacuse of the way she was built, she was a very waif like creature, but many people are not built like that.

My best two best mates gf's who are both stunning could never be that thin, because their build is not right for it, neither could some of my mates at work who are equaly stunning.

The problem of womens magazines is self perpetuating, and has as little to do with men as possible, they constantly criticise others to make hemselfs feel better about themselfs, and women swallow it by the bucket load, so at the end of the day it's womens own fault, as you are the ones buying it so perpetuatng this image when most men aren't all that bothered.

Look at mens magazines full of cruvy women to the brim, look at FHM or whatever and it's not full of uber skinny birds it full of normal looking women, on any given day (when it's not raining) i could have have walked through Bristol and could find you 50 women who are as good looking as anything in FHM and all that, it's just well anyone looks great when they have a few grands worth of computer software used on them.
 
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Men living with women makes them fat...FACT:D

Especially the women who can cook a mean meal, when i was married i put on quite a bit of weight due to my ex wife being a master chef in the kitchen...the only thing she was good at sadly:(
 
i said ages ago in other threads that when you move in with someone you become content, which means relaxing more on what you eat and your exercise.

its nothing new, its been the case for years.

stupid scientists trying to prove it!
 
fatiain said:
It's an American study though. I will refrain from commenting on the US waistline....

American study being the keyword, I was about to make this thread and say what the hell do they want us to do now make all women lesbians so they dont get fat? But I was afraid :( ok anyway, *****!
 
Balddog said:
If being healthy and not having heart and arterial problems at an early age counts as 'my vision', then yes.

If youre happy letting people live horribly unhealthy, depressed and short lives simply because youre afraid to hurt their feelings then thats good of you.

You know that people can carry a few extra pounds and not die at 26 from heart disease don't you?
 
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