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groen said:
Also there is the argument that since 1911 parliament act all acts of parliament have been invalid because they changed the way the laws come in to be and adjusted the power of the parliament away from the lords. If i understand correctly. All these acts since then like driving license and telecommunications act etc. Are all invalid as they don't supersede common law.
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It's an argument. It's not correct through. The judges, who are "in charge" of the common law, have said so themselves - see Lord Steyn's speech in Jackson v Attorney General.

The freeman argument says that because the birth certicate and the name is in all caps, that represents the legal fiction of yourself. the birth certifcate is then akin to registering a company in the name of the person. The argument is that you were too young to consent to that and it does not represent the person but a legal fiction. It is the legal fiction that has to follow the acts and not the real person.
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I've never heard that argument before but it's just odd. People do not have a separate legal personality - only registered companies do. The fact that your name is written on your birth certificate in capital letters does not change that.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
We do not pay road tax by the way.

It doesn't exist.

Please try harder to come up with something that takes more than 15 seconds to throw out as incorrect
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Err road tax or car tax what ever you prefer me to call it goes straight in to the exchequers coffers and then it gets split up. So why do we pay tax if the council's can't keep up with filling in the pot holes ? should we have to pay more for them to be able to keep on top of them ?
 
Business Man said:
Err road tax or car tax what ever you prefer me to call it goes straight in to the exchequers coffers and then it gets split up. So why do we pay tax if the council's can't keep up with filling in the pot holes ? should we have to pay more for them to be able to keep on top of them ?
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Probably, yup.
 
manic111 said:
It's an argument. It's not correct through. The judges, who are "in charge" of the common law, have said so themselves - see Lord Steyn's speech in Jackson v Attorney General.



I've never heard that argument before but it's just odd. People do not have a separate legal personality - only registered companies do. The fact that your name is written on your birth certificate in capital letters does not change that.
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Not a lot of people realize that the all the government departments and legal entities have registered companies in the companies house. One characteristic of company registration forms is that they will always be in capital letters. The birth certificate is itself a certificate of registration. The birth certificate is creating a legal entity. Without the birth certificate to your name you would not be able to be represented in a legal sense. You can't get a passport or any other forms of identification for use with a contract with a bank or similar. They also make it illegal to not register.

When you go to court they are addressing the legal fiction. I may be wrong about some of this. The court system has its roots in admiralty law, that is why they ask you to enter the dock and stand up. These are signs of being in compliance with the legal system. By entering the dock under duress, you are not complying with the court. Also by pointing out the conflict of interest, that often exist with cases between the state and a legal fiction.
 
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groen said:
Not a lot of people realize that the all the government departments and legal entities have registered companies in the companies house. One characteristic of company registration forms is that they will always be in capital letters. The birth certificate is itself a certificate of registration. The birth certificate is creating a legal entity. Without the birth certificate to your name you would not be able to be represented in a legal sense. You can't get a passport or any other forms of identification for use with a contract with a bank or similar.

When you go to court they are addressing the legal fiction. I may be wrong about some of this. The court system has its roots in admiralty law, that is why they ask you to enter the dock and stand up. These are signs of being in compliance with the legal system. By entering the dock under duress, you are not complying with the court. Also by pointing out the conflict of interest, that often exist with cases between the state and a legal fiction.
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Have you got a source for any of this? If not, I'll put together an alternative:

The birth certificate is a certificate of registration, evidencing the birth of a legal person which is also a legal entity - when it comes to people, the two are indivisible. This evidence is necessary to procure a passport and bank account, to prevent fraud and the like.
 
For example if your ever stopped by police and they ask to search you even though you have not committed a crime under common law, you can refuse consent to the search. It's best to record this on your phone if you can for evidence. If the constable or shall we say officer which is what they operate under now ( there's a difference ) goes ahead with the search it would be classed as assault which you would have valid claims for .

When you give your name, that name on your birth certificate is your legal fiction which police can arrest you with. Your under no obligation to give police your legal fiction name, by calling yourself (ME) and refusing consent then they can not arrest you lawfully, depending on the officer they could still arrest you but it would not be lawful under an act.

Imagine if the police just operated under common law, it would make their job so much easier and simple, except they don't and they operate under corporate entities
 
Business Man said:
For example if your ever stopped by police and they ask to search you even though you have not committed a crime under common law, you can refuse consent to the search. It's best to record this on your phone if you can for evidence. If the constable or shall we say officer which is what they operate under now ( there's a difference ) goes ahead with the search it would be classed as assault which you would have valid claims for .

When you give your name, that name on your birth certificate is your legal fiction which police can arrest you with. Your under no obligation to give police your legal fiction name, by calling yourself (ME) and refusing consent then they can not arrest you lawfully, depending on the officer they could still arrest you but it would not be lawful under an act.

Imagine if the police just operated under common law, it would make their job so much easier and simple, except they don't and they operate under corporate entities
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Can you define common law for me please?
 
Business Man said:
For example if your ever stopped by police and they ask to search you even though you have not committed a crime under common law, you can refuse consent to the search. It's best to record this on your phone if you can for evidence. If the constable or shall we say officer which is what they operate under now ( there's a difference ) goes ahead with the search it would be classed as assault which you would have valid claims for .

When you give your name, that name on your birth certificate is your legal fiction which police can arrest you with. Your under no obligation to give police your legal fiction name, by calling yourself (ME) and refusing consent then they can not arrest you lawfully, depending on the officer they could still arrest you but it would not be lawful under an act.

Imagine if the police just operated under common law, it would make their job so much easier and simple, except they don't and they operate under corporate entities
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Why are you ever in a situation where being searched is anything other than a waste of your time?
 
Business Man said:
Yes but a birth certificate is not suppose to be used for I.D, banks shouldn't be accepting that since what does it prove ?
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A bank is a private corporation so with certain exceptions where the ID is prescribed by law they can choose anything they want to be required as ID e.g. if they also want to see your library card as ID then that's their prerogative.

Out of curiosity - you appear to believe in the Freeman principles and if your name is not misleading you engage in business of some description? How do you manage to reconcile this belief to contracting with a legal fiction that is a company or a person if you're going to describe people thus?

As for why it is wrong the Rational Wiki article that I linked to earlier explains some of the fundamental misunderstandings that Freemen labour under.
 
groen said:
The court system has its roots in admiralty law, that is why they ask you to enter the dock and stand up. These are signs of being in compliance with the legal system. By entering the dock under duress, you are not complying with the court. Also by pointing out the conflict of interest, that often exist with cases between the state and a legal fiction.
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Alternatively the word "dock" derives from the old Flemish "docke" meaning "cage" and has nothing at all to do with Admiralty Law?
 
Common law = committing a breach of the peace, committing harm or loss to an individual.

People think police have all these special powers which they don't lawfully, do you think they have a right to tell you leave a public area when no crime has been committed ? Its gone power crazy, we've all seen what the badge can do to some police officers once they think they have a little authority. They might be good people but once they put that uniform then they operate under a money corporation.

You can see everything what's wrong outside and on the news, it went crazy after 9/11.

Should i be harassed by corporations demanding money i have no contract with ? should I be filmed on hundreds of cameras walking to the shops but be told by police i can not film an incident that's taking place ? should ISP's be forced to block sites such as pirate bay ? there's loads of stuff that's going on
 
I'm sure I read the other week that Visa was blocking payments to VPN's ? Why ? It shows a corporation as big as Visa can be bullied by these dirty corrupt governments which maybe using terrorism as an excuse.
 
desires said:
Why are you ever in a situation where being searched is anything other than a waste of your time?
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http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11703841&postcount=6

In short I was arrested for possesing blank firing guns that was deemed as being able to discharg noxious liquid or gas... it was very grey area but still landed me a conviction under the firearms act. no one will want know when you tell them about that conviction. I know the US would laugh and think i'm some sort of terrorist so why give them that satisfaction
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KIA what has my history got to do with this ? Are trying to portray me as some sort of thug who carried guns on the streets ? For information i collected replicas, if you have a problem with people who like collecting guns, airsoft or paint balling then that's your problem

I never said i get stopped and searched, i was using it as an example which happens all the time.


I surrgest you watch this video which breaks it all down in simple terms so people can understand

 
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He doesnt have a clue whagt hes talking about. He said road tax, so cant get some thing simple right,yet think he knows far more com plicated stuff, that has never been sucesful in a court. Another one to add to the looney bin.
 
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