That's fine, and the point of this forum. I was asking for his answer, since he suggested that I was uneducated for giving my view....
London Bridge Incident
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Yeah, but then you end up like the West Bank.
Someone blows someone up because they were upset, the other side retaliates with an army and airplanes, The next person gets upset and blows themselves up, then theres retaliation.
Nobody ever wants to talk, nobody ever wants to give in, it goes on and on and on, back and forth.
Complete apologist sentiment. Please stop trying to apportion blame on us. Britain is a predominanty Christian country, we are some of the most tolerant people on the planet, if people have a problem with that it is 100% their issue.
We should not and will not sit down and negotiate with people who deliberately set out to decapitate, burn alive and bomb innocents
And he was reported on two separate occasions.
If there are too many to monitor on the watchlist, why not subject them to home detention 24/7?
Ok, so how would you effectively go about trying to solve the problem, without causing a bigger problem in the process?
You're assuming these people actually care about their families, all evidence I've seen shows they become estranged from their families and off they go, These people have issues before they turn.
They honestly believe they are doing this **** in the name of their God, and God is greater than all. Locking up their families isn't really going to stop that, it's going to make matters worse.
I understand your point. My motivation however is not so we can get revenge, it is so we stop it happening.
No it isn't, stop saying it is. Britain is predominately secular or irreligious, ridiculous census results notwithstanding.
Uhh, no, atheism or lack of religion is predominantly what describes the UK today.
It wont be long before its the absolute majority either, the 1950s are over bruh.
You are utterly full of it. Most of these idiots have been shopped by Muslims who knew them due to there behaviour, they've been kicked out of there local mosques.
As for taqiyyah this is limited to when Muslims lives are under threat and they can say they're not Muslims and will not be punished for it even though it says it is preferable to die.
The extremists are very clear and honest about there views, they don't hide anything. They think it halal to kill non Muslims and wage war anywhere against all non Muslims.
It is not something they hide.
I believe they are supposed to as a lot of them have been contacted by police.
If all do, who knows?
But I have heard on more then one occasion where mosque teachers or worshippers have been reported for there views.
Now, I know we don't know what happens after that. But someone told me once they reported a mosque teacher for inciting kids to go to Syria.
He said a month later the guy was still there, so he changed his kids mosque.
That is unacceptable. They might have took action later but a full month of him brainwashing students...
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Except that we've done that in the past when our national security was at stake. During WWII foreign nationals were interned without trial for the duration, the media and press relentlessly pumped out government approved propaganda and dissent was suppressed.
To those opposed to more radical measures how many more innocents have to die because we don't want to risk offending a few people? One attack? Two? Three? A dozen? Because sooner or later peoples patience will break.
Why dont you actually address the relevant points, we are a culture based on Christian values even if most of us dont go to church every Sunday and a lot of us, including myself, dont even believe in God
We're not at war. Not in any meaningful sense of the word.
Why mention it if by your own admission it's not relevant? You are clearly intending for it to bolster your argument.
thats the big question - if we get to 10/20 attacks then i could see the government (any government) taking pretty extreme measures.
one thing i think they should do is make hate peaching and overt support of isis illegal.
Germany has laws making the denial of the holocaust illegal and they fit fine with freedom of speech.
Maybe not by definition. But in general I strongly disagree. A select group are committing barbaric, public murders on what is now a regular occurrence over the world. It isn’t one loon that got a bit angry, it’s specific group with an MO to take over the world and get everyone to believe in what they do – this has been stated by the top members of the group.
If this doesn’t warrant us and other countries taking war level actions to stop this, then its an insult to the public and particulary those that have already been harmed.
So who do we fight? Who do we attack? Where? When? How? This is the most guerilla of guerilla warfare. The combatants are unidentifiable.
This needs to change imo. Imagine what a kick in the teeth to the Islamic State it would be if every church up and down the land was full next Sunday.