London Bridge Incident

leaskovski · 5 Jun 2017 at 13:21

Vonhelmet said:
Why mention it if by your own admission it's not relevant? You are clearly intending for it to bolster your argument.

He is right though, a lot of our values today are based on/from the Christian faith.

Skunkworks · 5 Jun 2017 at 13:29

scorza said:
This needs to change imo. Imagine what a kick in the teeth to the Islamic State it would be if every church up and down the land was full next Sunday.

I don't think we have enough soldiers to guard them.

dirtychinchilla · 5 Jun 2017 at 13:41

We probably don't have enough believers to fill them either.

Schlong&Stable · 5 Jun 2017 at 13:50

Screeeech said:
When the news played video of ISIS burning that pilot alive in a cage, and it was all over the front pages, explain to me how that's 'bending over backwards' to excuse Islam?

I wouldn't have said that reporting the heinous crimes of ISIS is the same as taking a swipe at Islam. In fact the media goes to lengths to (wrongly in my mind) point at ISIS are not representative of Islam. So.. what was your point?

Ben3991 · 5 Jun 2017 at 13:51

Vonhelmet said:
So who do we fight? Who do we attack? Where? When? How? This is the most guerilla of guerilla warfare. The combatants are unidentifiable.

I've commented on what I think should be done earlier in the topic, but am happy to accept I don't know the right answer. But putting more police on the streets isnt going to fix anything so something more drastic needs to be done.

Felon · 5 Jun 2017 at 13:59

Thompson_NCL said:
I wouldn't have said that reporting the heinous crimes of ISIS is the same as taking a swipe at Islam. In fact the media goes to lengths to (wrongly in my mind) point at ISIS are not representative of Islam. So.. what was your point?

It's about perception.

If you're a normal moderate Muslim living in the community, going about your daily life - and you see this sort of thing being played on the TV, printed in the paper, on social media, you see the press endlessly associating Islam with terrorism, (which may actually be accurate) then essentially, rightly or wrong - it is taking a swipe.

From the perception of the moderate Muslim, their beloved faith is being tarred with the same brush, surely you can see how this would cause more division and hatred?

The_Abyss · 5 Jun 2017 at 14:00

scorza said:
This needs to change imo. Imagine what a kick in the teeth to the Islamic State it would be if every church up and down the land was full next Sunday.

So you think that lots of people, religious and non, standing in church next weekend will deliver a blow to Islamic State?

Can you articulate why, and why you think it needs to change?

Above&Beyond · 5 Jun 2017 at 14:04

Screeeech said:
It's about perception.

If you're a normal moderate Muslim living in the community, going about your daily life - and you see this sort of thing being played on the TV, printed in the paper, on social media, you see the press endlessly associating Islam with terrorism, (which may actually be accurate) then essentially, rightly or wrong - it is taking a swipe.

From the perception of the moderate Muslim, their beloved faith is being tarred with the same brush, surely you can see how this would cause more division and hatred?

Are we supposed to pander to every person that believes in the invisible man for fear of offending them? The free press does not operate that way.

Tefal · 5 Jun 2017 at 14:05

scorza said:
This needs to change imo. Imagine what a kick in the teeth to the Islamic State it would be if every church up and down the land was full next Sunday.

I don't think ISIS gives a **** if you go to church or not.

Dis86 · 5 Jun 2017 at 14:06

Screeeech said:
From the perception of the moderate Muslim, their beloved faith is being tarred with the same brush, surely you can see how this would cause more division and hatred?

Not really. Any normal person would ignore it and get on with their day.

Skunkworks · 5 Jun 2017 at 14:09

Screeeech said:
It's about perception.

If you're a normal moderate Muslim living in the community, going about your daily life - and you see this sort of thing being played on the TV, printed in the paper, on social media, you see the press endlessly associating Islam with terrorism, (which may actually be accurate) then essentially, rightly or wrong - it is taking a swipe.

From the perception of the moderate Muslim, their beloved faith is being tarred with the same brush, surely you can see how this would cause more division and hatred?

Going from "moderate" to "division and hatred" so easily is part of the problem.

Dis86 · 5 Jun 2017 at 14:13

Skunkworks said:
Going from "moderate" to "division and hatred" so easily is part of the problem.

Quite. From 0-crazy in 5s flat.

mid_gen · 5 Jun 2017 at 14:15

Scorza's new strategy to defeat ISIS : Say prayers and sing hymns.

That'll show em! A real kick in the teeth!

Dis86 · 5 Jun 2017 at 14:16

mid_gen said:
Scorza's new strategy to defeat ISIS : Say prayers and sing hymns.

That'll show em! A real kick in the teeth!

That's what the Muslim council did in their show of solidarity...

Above&Beyond · 5 Jun 2017 at 14:16

mid_gen said:
Scorza's new strategy to defeat ISIS : Say prayers and sing hymns.

That'll show em! A real kick in the teeth!

It's about what we're doing right now with facebook profile watermarks and songs by Oasis.

Above&Beyond · 5 Jun 2017 at 14:18

That 'Jihadi Next Door' show by Channel 4 last year supposedly has one of the attackers on it. I remember at the time wondering why these pathetic losers were even allowed to preach their hate.

Vonhelmet · 5 Jun 2017 at 14:19

scorza said:
This needs to change imo. Imagine what a kick in the teeth to the Islamic State it would be if every church up and down the land was full next Sunday.

Keep dreaming. The man on the street doesn't care about church or Christianity or any of that.

Vonhelmet · 5 Jun 2017 at 14:21

Dis86 said:
That's what the Muslim council did in their show of solidarity...

People moan about the Muslim authorities being silent (even though they aren't) then moan when they speak up.

scorza · 5 Jun 2017 at 14:24

Above&Beyond said:
That 'Jihadi Next Door' show by Channel 4 last year supposedly has one of the attackers on it. I remember at the time wondering why these pathetic losers were even allowed to preach their hate.

Human Rights Act init?

DAIR · 5 Jun 2017 at 14:30

My thoughts on recent events.... TBH I'm sick and tired of the media and politicians spouting stupid lines like

* "We will remain defiant..." - What do they mean by this?
* "We will continue to go about our lives as normal" - This one really grinds my gears. First of all. Those who had lost close ones or had been caught up in this mess. Will not be the same. To suggest otherwise is just stupid. Also what choice do we ultimately have? We have bills to pay and money to make!

I saw Khan's response interview in the news yesterday and thought what a donut. It's perfectly normal to be afraid in situations like this.