London pollution & ULEZ

It's a common view outside of the M25. Never understood why. 25% of GDP and a great global city but I know plenty of yokels back in the sticks who "wouldn't go up that London it's full of townies [or worse]".

25% of GDP but who brings in the logistics. It certainly doesn't come from London ;).

I would quite happily dump my load in Hemmel or Hatfield and leave it there for Londoners to collect. Believe me.
 
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Electric cars demonstrating zero emissions.

because ICE cars never set on fire....?


has the boat fire even been confirmed as being caused by an EV or was it yet more anti EV FUD before inevitable backtracking ?

don't get me wrong... EV batter fires are an issue and hell the battery in my EV is worse than most. but that said EV batteries can be made to be much better than some of them are.
pressure definitely needs to be put on companies which make dodgy batteries (LG are you listening)
 
because ICE cars never set on fire....?


has the boat fire even been confirmed as being caused by an EV or was it yet more anti EV FUD before inevitable backtracking ?

don't get me wrong... EV batter fires are an issue and hell the battery in my EV is worse than most. but that said EV batteries can be made to be much better than some of them are.
pressure definitely needs to be put on companies which make dodgy batteries (LG are you listening)

Nope, just complete speculation at this point!
 
I just had an email from Heathrow about it now being in the ULEZ zone.

I find that ludicrous to be honest, as the planes taking off and landing are going to be putting out far more CO2 in to the atmosphere than any car that might travel there.

And I say this as an EZ driver, with zero emissions.
 
I just had an email from Heathrow about it now being in the ULEZ zone.

I find that ludicrous to be honest, as the planes taking off and landing are going to be putting out far more CO2 in to the atmosphere than any car that might travel there.

And I say this as an EZ driver, with zero emissions.
That's going to get a lot of unsuspecting drivers a fine.
 
I just had an email from Heathrow about it now being in the ULEZ zone.

I find that ludicrous to be honest, as the planes taking off and landing are going to be putting out far more CO2 in to the atmosphere than any car that might travel there.

And I say this as an EZ driver, with zero emissions.

Not if they put a ULEZ charge on the planes each time they land,taxi or take off! :cry:

But seriously,don't a lot of taxi firms use diesel vehicles? That will be interesting.
 
The roads seem busier than ever now. Got to keep the coffee shops in business…

The funny thing is a handful of coffee shops actually opened around here during the last two years because of WFH demand, in an area where hospitality workers can plausibly afford to live near (or at least relatively speaking compared to central London). So really it was just Pret's specific attachment to central that we're trying to prop up.
 
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I think displacement is going the other way, currently :)

I think you are mistaken. London is gradually sinking. Indeed thanks to isostatic rebound in the north, the whole of southern England is sinking. That's not to say that it will sink below sea level, but lots of England is perilously low-lying and the sea levels are supposed to be rising as well...
 
the end -> Congestion zone expansion will be next, which, itself , will soon encompass all vehicle types.

BBC ignoring the counter argument&facts that Khan's interpretation of the pollution reduction is not supported by facts - as Susan Hall Khan's oponent re-iterated in interview r4@1

seems the existing ULEZ had produced some small mean 3% reduction in Nox/No2 .. and some sites started now increased or returned to pre-ulez levels ..
slower traffic flow being one reason. ... stupid sadiq barking up wrong tree.

Has the ultra low emission zone in London improved air quality?


There are three monitoring sites that showed a significant increase (at the 10% level) in roadside concentrations of either NOx (site CT6) or NO2 (sites HV3 and WA8). However, since increases in both NOx and NO2 were not observed at any sites, the results imply that the change in concentrations of NOx and NO2 were highly site-specific and could have been influenced by atmospheric chemistry, vehicle flows, changes in vehicle fleet (i.e. ULEZ compliance) and changes in traffic speeds, which affect vehicle NOx emissions factors and the fraction of NOx emitted as NO2​
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Specifically, the highest reduction in kerbside NO2 concentrations (13%) was observed at the only site within the ULEZ; the highest reduction in kerbside NOx concentrations (7%) was at a site that is outside the zone yet next to its boundary. However, significant concurrent decreases in both NO2 and NOx concentrations were not observed at either of these sites. We also observe a diminishing improvement in air pollution at some locations. For example, at site WM6 within the ULEZ, the normalised concentrations of NO2 and NOx both started to increase in July 2019 after an initial reduction, and by September 2019, their levels reached a plateau where NOx had returned to the pre-ULEZ levels while NO2 remained lower than pre-ULEZ (see SI section S14). For NO2 and NOx , this 'rebound' also occurred for NO2 at a roadside site within the ULEZ, but not at any other roadside sites within the ULEZ nor kerbside sites close to the ULEZ.​
 
Not if they put a ULEZ charge on the planes each time they land,taxi or take off! :cry:

But seriously,don't a lot of taxi firms use diesel vehicles? That will be interesting.

A pilots licence costs around £15k for a small plane. Cheaper than buying a ULEZ compliant vehicle. Then just need to find a group of willing people to plane share the costs of a Cessna of some description. ;)

I don't know if it is pure tabloid nonsense but iirc there was something going around that there isn't enough vans on sale to replace non compliant ones so tradesmen will just be passing on the cost to the people living inside the new zone or simply not bother going in anymore at all.
 
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A pilots licence costs around £15k these days for a small plane. Cheaper than buying a ULEZ compliant vehicle. Just need to find a group of willing people to plane share the costs of a Cessna of some description.

I don't know if it is pure tabloid nonsense but iirc there was something going around that there isn't enough vans on sale to replace non compliant ones so tradesmen will just be passing on the cost to the people living inside the new zone or simply not bother going in anymore at all.

Yeah it will be like when you accidentally forget to mention that the venue you want to hire is for a wedding, like a dirty word.
Sorry sir did you say you live inside ULEZ? Oh, let me get you the ULEZ price list.
 
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