London violence reaching epidemic proportions

Tony Edwards said:
Answer the question then.

Are the white people that are from single parent families or commit crime or do all the other socialy unacceptable things you lay at black cultures feet all part of black culture as well?

Or do you accept that white culture also has issues?
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No culture is without faults.

It's just that in the USA for example 10% of the population is committing over 50% of the homicides.

It's not 1 or 2 people giving a bad rep here, there is clearly more to it than that.

And BTW there are more white people than black people in poverty in the USA so don't claim its to do with money.
 
bigmike20vt said:
this is very true... my dad left school at 14 not a qualification to his name. my mum has a couple of o levels....
but they still tried really hard to instill an academic work ethic into me.... I also worked with my dad doing basic manual labour. their view was I had a choice work hard at school or leave school and work for my dad (who was a self employed builder by that point).

a few things however.... I don't think people today with zero academic skills will get the opportunities he had.... on top of that I was able to go to uni without facing a massive debt at the end.... and finally like I said, despite overtaking them academically in my v early teens they still supported me..

parents are vitally important. what we have now seems to me to be reverse Darwinism.... the most successful people have either no kids or maybe one later in life where as statistically those who may be less supportive seem to have far more kids than they can support (yes wide brush I am painting with) .

how to stop this? I don't know. (well I do but human rights etc. (1 kid loads of child support, 2nd kid reduced child support unless you get the snip - then loads of child support) 3rd kid no support at all without the snip
cant see that being popular however (and has loopholes anyway).
personally I think it is utterly comtemptible to have more than 2 kids if you absolutely know you can't / don't want to look after them and will be fully reliant on the state however.
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I would guess that a lot of these kids parents have probably never worked themselves, and if they did it was a low skilled low paid job. So, getting into drugs, thuggery, and gangs is probably seen as an easier and better route to the wealth they see online and in various music genres (apart from the risk of a rival gang member stabbing you to death before you can do the same to them)
As someone who went to school in Poplar and lived on the then Isle of Dogs for a few years I'm eternally grateful that I could move and I didn't have to bring my kid up in some inner city London **** hole.
 
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jigger said:
Yes, I think we are decades too late, maybe four generations too late. Some of these kids come from long lines of failure and are steeped in tradition. The die was cast long ago… We have to thank every government from at least Blair onward for this, including the current one.

Finding some way of breaking up this cycle of animals raising even worst animals would give a point to work from. The rest we just have to do our best and deal with.

It’s like a crazy irrational race to bottom of morality with far too much stupid dictating the route. Concentrated amounts of stupid is a powerful thing.
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It's hard to change people who don't think they need to change.

I'm a school governor, and have done that role in two primaries. My wife's a governor in another school.

No matter what events we put on- school fairs, homework workshops, curriculum information events, classroom visits- you always get the same parents. They all look like me, if you know what I mean.

You have to try, but it often feels like a futile and thankless exercise.

Again, there's the difference: I will keep trying.
 
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The Running Man said:
The pattern is the same across many countries.

That's not to say its inherent but if you were to compare say the USA, UK and other European countries.

Also seems to be a thing in African countries too.

Is it just a coincidence?
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Africans aren't all the same, there are literally hundreds of ethnic divides to contend with which in my view make it less about any particular group and more about whether those groups have a power imbalance or history of persecution that inherently results in diverging cultures.
 
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The Running Man said:
No culture is without faults.

It's just that in the USA for example 10% of the population is committing over 50% of the homicides.

It's not 1 or 2 people giving a bad rep here, there is clearly more to it than that.

And BTW there are more white people than black people in poverty in the USA so don't claim its to do with money.
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Hold on. 10% of the population are not responsable for 50% of the murders. I could possibly let you get away with saying a small percentage with in that 10% are responsable but not all of them.

Thats like saying you are responsable for all the actions of horrible white people.
 
Tony Edwards said:
Answer the question then.

Are the white people that are from single parent families or commit crime or do all the other socialy unacceptable things you lay at black cultures feet all part of black culture as well?

Or do you accept that white culture also has issues?
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I think people with certain attitudes are more likely to breed kids with those attitudes, colour is irrelevant..... HOWEVER for over a century black people were treated like utter cack and we're not given the opportunity to be educated and so you have a higher percentage of those demographics now who are now essentially breeding gang joining scallies.

if white people had been treated the same as black in the 19th and much of the 20th century then the roles would be reversed.
 
Tony Edwards said:
Answer the question then.

Are the white people that are from single parent families or commit crime or do all the other socialy unacceptable things you lay at black cultures feet all part of black culture as well?

Or do you accept that white culture also has issues?
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Its about prevalence tony. Youve had this explained before and couldnt grasp the concept then either.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
What pattern is a thing in African countries?
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Black people committing crime.

Somalis are responsible for nearly 100% of homicides in Somalia- and that's a fact.

Edit, for idiocy: the above isn't intended seriously. Jeez, I can't believe I have to say that, but, y'know....

Edit 2: I can see I am something of a mind-reader, going from the post below this.
 
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Tony Edwards said:
Hold on. 10% of the population are not responsable for 50% of the murders. I could possibly let you get away with saying a small percentage with in that 10% are responsable but not all of them.

Thats like saying you are responsable for all the actions of horrible white people.
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That's just how the statistics roll unfortunately.

I will phrase it another way if you'd prefer.

In the USA around 10% of the population is black and over 50% of homicides are committed by black people.

In the UK the trend is very similar. How would you explain this?


"What percentage of murderers in the UK are black?


The figures showed that 13% of murder suspects were black compared to 3% of the population of the United Kingdom (as of the 2010s), and in London 48% of murder suspects compared to 13% of the population."

Is it a coincidence that in 2 separate countries that the trend is nearly identical?
 
It’s not a really a race thing… ~ When these kids are confronted it can escalate into something very racial looking, racist insults and slurs, but it’s usually the act of being challenged just results in vitriol in the flavours of what enters their mind.
 
The Running Man said:
That's just how the statistics roll unfortunately.

I will phrase it another way if you'd prefer.

In the USA around 10% of the population is black and over 50% of homicides are committed by black people.

In the UK the trend is very similar. How would you explain this?


"What percentage of murderers in the UK are black?


The figures showed that 13% of murder suspects were black compared to 3% of the population of the United Kingdom (as of the 2010s), and in London 48% of murder suspects compared to 13% of the population."

Is it a coincidence that in 2 separate countries that the trend is nearly identical?
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How many are commited by men? I bet its more than 50%

Do you have any statistics on what perentage of black people commit crimes by any chance? I bet that is way lower than 50%.
 
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The Running Man said:
In Somalia for example over 40% of households are single parents.

You can look it up yourself.
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Somalia? Ignoring you said Africa and then name a single country.

The only data I could find was related to Finland and their seems to be some issues with that data since they practise polygamy. I can't find any data for within Somalia itself.
 
Tony Edwards said:
How many are commited by men? I bet its more than 50%
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Men are more biologically driven to violence compared to women, you seem to be saying black men are more biologically prone to violence compared to other races... not quite the 'gotcha' you were hoping for Tony :cry:
 
Tony Edwards said:
How many are commited by men? I bet its more than 50%
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That's pretty sexist tbh.

But if you are willing to accept that yes crime figures are hugely inflated by a small group of people then I'm sure you can figure out ways to tackle the issue and massively reduce serious crime like murder, violent assault plus shoplifting etc.

Is it a coincidence the pattern is the same across multi countries?
 
The Running Man said:
That's just how the statistics roll unfortunately.

I will phrase it another way if you'd prefer.

In the USA around 10% of the population is black and over 50% of homicides are committed by black people.

In the UK the trend is very similar. How would you explain this?


"What percentage of murderers in the UK are black?


The figures showed that 13% of murder suspects were black compared to 3% of the population of the United Kingdom (as of the 2010s), and in London 48% of murder suspects compared to 13% of the population."

Is it a coincidence that in 2 separate countries that the trend is nearly identical?
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That is because of Gang Violence and the glorification of gangs, in what people like to attribute as "black culture". Also lets not pretend like there isn't signficant culture mixing between USA and the UK.


Edit: You have calculated population breakdown incorrectly as ideally you should split it up by age bracket.
 
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