Louis Van Gone / Jose Mourinho set to be announced as Man Utd manager this week - BBC

Purdy said:
Fluke and makes it even more embarrassing we haven't managed it after throwing so much money at it :p



Oh me too but the budget between the two is vastly different. Can't imagine us spending what you did on Martial, albeit looking an incredibly good bit of business if he keeps it up.

It shouldn't, i think manu are literally too big to not spend their way out of this. Unless you mean us perhaps winning a couple of things here and there then maybe :p
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All it takes is for Klopp to unearth the next Suarez and it's a done thing.

And he's probably one of the best equipped managers to do that.
 
I am frustrated this happened.

I understand why people are fed up with Van Gaal but I thought he didn't do badly for his first full season.

With exception of Leicester and perhaps West Ham it has been a poor season for most premier league teams.

When it was shrugged off united managed a good top 4 campaign (just lost out) and won the FA cup. We're still in europa. How is that a bad performance?

The youngsters that have come in are showing great potential too. Just seems all too premature.
 
Tom0 said:
I am frustrated this happened.

I understand why people are fed up with Van Gaal but I thought he didn't do badly for his first full season.

With exception of Leicester and perhaps West Ham it has been a poor season for most premier league teams.

When it was shrugged off united managed a good top 4 campaign (just lost out) and won the FA cup. We're still in europa. How is that a bad performance?

The youngsters that have come in are showing great potential too. Just seems all too premature.
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Many people on the BBC seem to be saying the same. He got you 5th and only lost out on goal difference and we won the FA cup. How can that be a bad season.

Under most circumstances you might be right but:

Most of our rivals for top 4 being utterly **** doesn't make it harder for us to get it, it makes it easier.

He played horrendously bad football 95% of the time and we relied really heavily on DDG, Martial and the sheer luck of Rashford being amazing when he came in due to injuries. I genuinely think that without DDG we would be probably 10 points or more worse off. Without Rashford and Martial the same again.

While we played our crap football we hardly scored any goals.

While we had our "great" defensive record we were cut open a huge number of times against anyone half decent and DDG saved us a lot and our opposition missed a lot of good chances.

We went out in the CL group stage from one of the easiest groups you will ever find in the CL.

He spend ~£160m net and stripped the squad back to the point where injuries to a few players left us using a lot of untested youth players. The players that then came in to fill the gaps were moved around and dropped out of nowhere even when playing well in some cases.

A lot of the signings he made did not perform as well as they should have. This may not have been his fault but he loved to drop players, rotate the team very regularly and play people out of position. He would regularly play 6 players out of their favoured position.

There was no sign that his football would get better. Even against the teams on horrible runs of form we would quite often get outplayed and outworked.

His use of youth players is a lot of bull as well. The only players that have been regulars from the youth setup are Lingard and Rashford. Rashford wasn't his inspired find, he had no choice and that slice of good luck saved this season from being much worse. Lingard fair enough, he seemed to like him. Other players like Pereira, Fosu Mensah were played a few times and looked really good and then were dropped for the likes of Fellaini and Rojo.

Signing players for a manger that only ever intended to stay for 1 more season anyway would be a little pointless and who would want to come and play for his United anyway.

I have watched almost every United match this season and we have been utterly depressingly bad in most of them. We dominate possession against a budget team and struggle to break them down all game and then we score and LvG suddenly goes into defensive mode. Suddenly the other team is trying to break us down and they do it easily even though we have 10 men behind the ball.

I would say that 10% of his tenure was positive and 90% negative.
 
fez said:
Many people on the BBC seem to be saying the same. He got you 5th and only lost out on goal difference and we won the FA cup. How can that be a bad season.

Under most circumstances you might be right but:

Most of our rivals for top 4 being utterly **** doesn't make it harder for us to get it, it makes it easier.

He played horrendously bad football 95% of the time and we relied really heavily on DDG, Martial and the sheer luck of Rashford being amazing when he came in due to injuries. I genuinely think that without DDG we would be probably 10 points or more worse off. Without Rashford and Martial the same again.

While we played our crap football we hardly scored any goals.

While we had our "great" defensive record we were cut open a huge number of times against anyone half decent and DDG saved us a lot and our opposition missed a lot of good chances.

We went out in the CL group stage from one of the easiest groups you will ever find in the CL.

He spend ~£160m net and stripped the squad back to the point where injuries to a few players left us using a lot of untested youth players. The players that then came in to fill the gaps were moved around and dropped out of nowhere even when playing well in some cases.

A lot of the signings he made did not perform as well as they should have. This may not have been his fault but he loved to drop players, rotate the team very regularly and play people out of position. He would regularly play 6 players out of their favoured position.

There was no sign that his football would get better. Even against the teams on horrible runs of form we would quite often get outplayed and outworked.

His use of youth players is a lot of bull as well. The only players that have been regulars from the youth setup are Lingard and Rashford. Rashford wasn't his inspired find, he had no choice and that slice of good luck saved this season from being much worse. Lingard fair enough, he seemed to like him. Other players like Pereira, Fosu Mensah were played a few times and looked really good and then were dropped for the likes of Fellaini and Rojo.

Signing players for a manger that only ever intended to stay for 1 more season anyway would be a little pointless and who would want to come and play for his United anyway.

I have watched almost every United match this season and we have been utterly depressingly bad in most of them. We dominate possession against a budget team and struggle to break them down all game and then we score and LvG suddenly goes into defensive mode. Suddenly the other team is trying to break us down and they do it easily even though we have 10 men behind the ball.

I would say that 10% of his tenure was positive and 90% negative.
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I can't disagree with any of that. The only addition I would make is that Mata was also vital with de Gea this season. From what I watched anyway.

I never really thought about "where would be if everyone else didn't have a 'mare but a good season?" Which is strange because I was aware of it all year.

Nice look at the other side of the coin in summary of this season.
 
Robbo said:
I thank my players and wish them well for next season. It has been a pleasure to work with them and it has been particularly rewarding to see so many young players take their chance to break into the first team and excel. I look forward to watching the continued development of these young players next season.
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Subtle dig at Mourino? I honestly can't see youngsters getting much of a chance under Mourinho, they'll probably all be loaned out and replaced by new signings and eventually join another club.
 
mmj_uk said:
Subtle dig at Mourino? I honestly can't see youngsters getting much of a chance under Mourinho, they'll probably all be loaned out and replaced by new signings and eventually join another club.
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They are about to become Mendes United. That man is about to become even richer :( I'm sure he has a list of his players ready to send Uniteds way for a discount with tesco clubcard vouchers.
 
Mata was good at times this season but honestly I think that is more of a reflection of the season than anything else. He was quite often at the heart of any good play we had but he was also poor a lot of the time (like most of the team). I can see him leaving this summer though as he doesn't have the qualities Mourinho looks for in a no10.

I love the guy but he is missing some key parts of his game that you need to be really effective in that role. Silva at City is twice the player Mata is and he is still lacking in some parts of his game.
 
dannyjo22 said:
They are about to become Mendes United. That man is about to become even richer :( I'm sure he has a list of his players ready to send Uniteds way for a discount with tesco clubcard vouchers.
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Why do you say that and why would it be an issue either way? If he represents players we want then so be it but I doubt we will sign players we don't want.
 
The plan post-Ferguson was to build for the future again, we got all of the Class of 92 stuff being thrown at us and Moyes talked up as a future Ferguson. Mourinho will look for instant success he doesn't want gaps in his CV from giving players time to develop. So really the club has done a 180 in appointing Mourinho, like LvG says in his letter he hasn't been given the time to complete the plan.

Might as well have just appointed him as Ferguson's successor.
 
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Shamikebab said:
Complete his plan? I dread to think how bad he could have got us if he had another season.
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Exactly. People are saying that we are a sacking club because we have got rid of Moyes and LvG within 3 years. Both of them were given massive resources and a very simple minimum target. Both managers failed in almost every area of their job and were sacked for it.

If we played good football and came 5th then he would probably still be in a job. If he showed any signs of progress and moving towards a positive style of play and future he would still have a job. Almost any other club would have sacked him before the new year, not just the big clubs.

Every other club that has had a bad season by their own standards still played good football quite often. Chelsea have played much better football than us this year, City are miles ahead, Liverpool the same.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that a manager needs time when his brand of football and his results are crap. You can play good football and not get the results and get time or you can get the results and play poor football and perhaps get time. You can't do both.
 
fez said:
Why do you say that and why would it be an issue either way? If he represents players we want then so be it but I doubt we will sign players we don't want.
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We then end up with a manager and lets say 4 players all with the same agent - yeah I can see that being a concern, Mendes could have even more power over the board.

Imo he already has too much power "just" having DDG and Mourinho (suspicions we only signed Di Maria to keep Mendes happy - dont know if its true but its been stated a fw times since he de-capmed to PSG)... cant think who but I think there is another player on his books, I know he was after Rashford but not sure if that happened or not
 
Ultimately if you are winning things and you pay your players well then an agent shouldn't really be an issue. I agree that it could be an issue but I think people overplay his involvement in players moving club. If someone will get paid more, win more or simply play more at another club then they might move.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Be careful what you wish for. plenty here have stated they are not sure of getting rid of LVG in replace with mourinho
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It's not about who's coming in, it's about the fact that LvG had to go. Regardless of the FA Cup win, his football was dire and he was so stubborn in his beliefs that it hurt him.

Mourinho may not be any better, but that doesn't change the fact we had to ditch LvG
 
People defending LVG are laughable.

I genuinely disliked him more than Moyes. Moyes was out of his depth with no ability to back it up, he should never have been there. I sympathised because he was brought in through the delusions of Fergie.

LVG was blind, stubborn, idiotic and would point to his 'philosphy & legacy' in one sentence then chastise the fans in the next for living in the past. As pointed above, you can't play crap football and have crap results and stay in a job. He played the worst football i've ever witnessed from a team with the resources Man Utd have.
 
I would agree with that, Moyes looked out of place from day 1. LvG is clearly comfortable but just appeared stubborn and unwilling to change his 'philosophy' even if it made us play better.
 
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