Soldato
Jedit can you clarify when the deadline is please because Tuesday 10th March doesn't exist 
Is it Monday the 10th or Tuesday 11th?
Is it Monday the 10th or Tuesday 11th?
[MAFIA] The Thirteen Doctors
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An interesting post.
Personally I'm not sure if Psymonkee not voting is suspicious or not, I don't think he would do something so obviously against the grain if he were Scum, but I have no allegiance toward him so I'm not sticking up for him, just saying.
As for the night kill not happening I agree with your theory, it's not very likely that the Scum would have missed the opportunity to give a target to Jedit. As you've said if there are 3 of them then all 3 not being active last night would be incredibly unlikely and the likeliest scenario is somebody is either bulletproof or has been protected by another player.
We were super unlucky that the cop got offed first, unless there are other Town players who have similar abilities.
Had you come back online in time where would your vote have gone?
These new roles and not knowing what they are certainly adds a new dynamic to the game. It will be interesting to see how the discussion pans out now in light of who applied their roles and the effect that may or may not have had. From my thinking I don't think we have moved far beyond the random theories of day 1. With no NK its hard to draw any conclusions.
I'm in two thoughts at the moment- either the mafia piled in and applied the hammer to get rid of 47 knowing he was town, or like in the previous game they didn't need to and let the townies lynch another townie for them. I know this doesn't help but I'm just thinking out loud.
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I really thought we were going to be off to the most awful start there 
No NK is a total result. Like others I'm assuming we have a protector...I'd love to know who was targeted.
No NK is a total result. Like others I'm assuming we have a protector...I'd love to know who was targeted.
Soldato
I know I mentioned looking at this in my first post today, but let's not get too hung up on those who voted for Fortyseven - it snowballed a little at the end and the mafia could have held off (yes, I know that includes me!).
On another note, I've been waiting to ask this - and I do so without wanting to make an accusation. Why were you so convinced that you would be night-killed, iviv?
Soldato
Re-reading that, it looks like I'm including myself in the mafia - which is not the case, I mean including myself in those who didn't vote for Fortyseven
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The way I see it either the mafia didn't realise that it was only 24 hours for the deadline or a skill blocked it. Personally I think it's more likely the former.
No night kill gives us not much to go on
I don't think we can judge much on who voted for 47 because in the end we needed a lynch.
No night kill gives us not much to go on
I don't think we can judge much on who voted for 47 because in the end we needed a lynch.
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You would say that
Though actually I agree with you to a certain extent, voting for 47 doesn't necessarily mean anything as per iviv's advice, lynching was the right thing to do and there were no other viable wagons (much to my disappointment).
Soldato
To be honest, mostly self preservation. I would like to think I've been extremely helpful to the town, whereas if I were scum I could have contributed far less while still appearing helpful. Of course, this now leads into the WIFOM case where I could be scum trying to prove I'm townie by being so pro-town to gain your trust therefore I'm scum for being so helpful, and we just keep layering all that up which simply won't be any help for anyone
I made that last post there (Technically after the deadline for which I apologise, I hadn't counted the votes when I was posting) which was a cross between sensibility and self preservation. Naturally I don't want to die, so I tried to big myself up a little to make myself a target. We very likely have a protector role of some sort, as well as a few investigators. By making myself an obvious target like that I hoped to act as a lightning rod (Though not the lightning rod role that may be in the game!). I'm an obvious target for the mafia, but that also makes me an obvious target for any healer/protection type roles.
The mafia had a total of either 8 or 9 people to pick from, depending on how many of them there are, while the healer(s) would have had 11. The odds of them both targeting the same person are slim, unless there is one person who makes themselves an obvious target. If both take the bait, there's no night kill.
Again, there are lots of assumptions involved in this (The main one naturally being that I'm not scum, you'll have to trust me on that
), but also the other roles involved. Redirection roles could have changed votes from me, but even so the mafia and healer must have targeted the same person and then had the target redirected, still leading to them both targeting the same person, except it wasn't me.Heck, I may have not even been the target. My guesses and analysis may be so far off the mark that they didn't want to kill me. Or they may not have even submitted a kill.
Townies, it is up to you to use the information you gained overnight. If you protected someone, it is very likely that they are town since multiple protectors is unlikely. If you investigated someone, did it complete? If not, maybe the protector was a jailkeep meaning they couldn't be targeted by night actions. This equally means that you know they are town as well from the above reasoning.
Of course, the chance of redirectors does screw all of this up a little. It's up to you to make your own read, come to your own conclusions based on the information that you gained overnight.
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Personally iviv, I wouldn't point the finger at you at the moment. Obviously your pro-town actions could be a front but seeing as you're being so genuinely useful to the rest of the town it won't really matter if you're Scum or not at this stage. As long as you remain an asset to the town, we do need to lynch a bad guy this time though, losing the cop was a bit of a blow.
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Clarifying that the deadline is Tuesday 11pm.
Soldato
My vote likely would have gone against chriscubed which I now believe to be a mistake unless I have read into his posts wrongly.
That said had I come back to find 6 votes for Fortyseven I likely would have voted with the majority to bring about a lynching.
As for the lack of night kill I'd agree with the consensus that there is someone with some form of protective action but which one I couldn't say without more time to read back over the possible roles and rechecking the votes.
Sadly that will have to wait as I'm exhausted and in need of sleep. Don't read much into my lack of participation - I'm very much in favour of a town victory and would like to see such a thing hastened but I simply can't concentrate for long enough at one time to decipher the hidden mess we find ourselves in!
Soldato
dang well that wasn't a great lynching we could have done with a cop. why did he not speak up and say he was the cop and maybe someone such as a doctor could have protected him tonight to atleast let him live one night to use his aability and have a chance to find one of the scum as after tonight he would most likely be lynched the night after by the mafia
Soldato
Not really. We are lynching him because he's scum, therefore what's to stop him just claiming they are the cop, thus keeping them safe from the lynching.
Soldato
I think Fortyseven was lynched because he he walked off at the same that a few fingers had been pointed but I'm not convinced there was massive belief he was the bad guy - up until then chriscubed and I were at the top of the list! I think if he'd admitted he was the cop, those people who jumped the bandwagon (understandably) to make sure there was a lynching might have gone elsewhere.
Personally, my suspicions have shifted slightly from yesterday purely based on the posts made since the failure to kill overnight - while I don't particularly like chriscubed's posting style (as well as his ridiculous anti-Bear position), I have other preferences for the bad guys. However, I want to see how they present themselves today before I point any fingers.
Personally, my suspicions have shifted slightly from yesterday purely based on the posts made since the failure to kill overnight - while I don't particularly like chriscubed's posting style (as well as his ridiculous anti-Bear position
), I have other preferences for the bad guys. However, I want to see how they present themselves today before I point any fingers.
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I agree with this.
Personally, my suspicions have shifted slightly from yesterday purely based on the posts made since the failure to kill overnight - while I don't particularly like chriscubed's posting style (as well as his ridiculous anti-Bear position
I apologise if I came across badly in the previous day. I felt a need to drive the discussion forward, and your behaviour (and Shami's) seemed anti-town to me. It's nothing personal. I look forward to hearing your new preferences later.
Soldato
hmm... very true i didnt think of that. i dunno, he didnt really defend himself very well.
We have 37 hours to make a decision on who to lynch next and i think Psymonkee needs to be considered, i was going to abstain but as iviv pointed out it looks very scummy and is anti-town, i quicky rectified that.
saying after the lynch that you would have done this and that doesnt matter, the vote has passed, 47 is gone and you didnt vote. Admittedly i wasnt going to vote however i was quickly persuaded otherwise but even if you had voted for someone it would have helped somewhat and it could have come down to a 6v6 vote where your vote could have broke the tie.
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I'm not sure about Psymonkee, he was pretty quiet the previous game too. I don't think lynching based on activity (or lack of) is really what we need to be looking at.
We need a night kill really, we're basically in the same position we were yesterday
We need a night kill really, we're basically in the same position we were yesterday
Soldato
I'm not sure about Psymonkee, he was pretty quiet the previous game too. I don't think lynching based on activity (or lack of) is really what we need to be looking at.
We need a night kill really, we're basically in the same position we were yesterday
What do you expect us to learn from a night kill? The last game showed that killing players who either aren't getting involved or who are already well established as town are good options for a night kill so I'm really not sure what useful information we'd gain from it.
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You certainly did rectify that
Nice and vague there for how much you challenged me on my "niggles" about you and Pookie. Plus of course, 47 was actually all about the town...
That's true, but of course Psy didn't vote to kill the cop.
He was asked and he answered - while I agree the answer isn't that useful because it's written with hindsight, I don't think the question was particularly useful either.
I'm still waiting for this by the way - I had another quick look but didn't see one.