[MAFIA] The Thirteen Doctors

Shamikebab said:
As I said, day one is nothing more than a guess. A noisy player took issue with that and called me out as 'lurking' so I voted for him as my guess of the day, all very consistent.
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day one voting is always going to be a mess in my opinion, iviv gave it a good go and tbh it worked however we NK'd the wrong person. But you didnt even say he was noisy, you just voted for him even some small explanation would have been fine.

Shamikebab said:
How does one prove they are town, go on I'd love to hear it. It's impossible to defend myself at the moment because the people that have accused me have provided no evidence whatsoever. Without points to argue against, what can I defend against?
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you can't really prove it but you can try and reason with those suspecting you. you need to start aiding the town rather than being aggressive towards those suspecting you're scum
 
The default assumption is town. Until people can state the reasons they believe I'm mafia (other than 'I have a feeling') it is impossible to defend myself. You either take my word for it, or don't.
 
Shamikebab said:
The default assumption is town. Until people can state the reasons they believe I'm mafia (other than 'I have a feeling') it is impossible to defend myself. You either take my word for it, or don't.
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well, personally at the moment i dont think you are scum, i think you are a town who has done a 47 with your vote on chris, except this time you didnt get someone lynched because of it
 
Shamikebab said:
The default assumption is town. Until people can state the reasons they believe I'm mafia (other than 'I have a feeling') it is impossible to defend myself. You either take my word for it, or don't.
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There is no default assumption, this isn't a trial in a court where you're innocent until proven guilty. We will all individually get impressions from people (called reads) on whether they are playing in a positive way, or a negative way. You have managed to give negative impressions to several people, and that's why this is happening.

I called out a number of lurkers, of which you were not the worst. You took exception to that, and fair enough, but I don't think you have proved me wrong by doing anything useful for the town since, either. You seem to be waiting for concrete evidence, which is going to be magically provided by the NK - but a) I don't believe the NK will necessarily help and b) Why not try to gather evidence from the voting and people's reactions to it?
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
:p

As far as I can tell he hasn't actually done anything and there seems to be a policy of guilty until proven innocent which is the wrong way around in my opinion.
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Actually I prefer to work this way. I start out with a default assumption that everyone could be mafia and people work their way on to my town list.
 
Leprechaun312 said:
day one voting is always going to be a mess in my opinion, iviv gave it a good go and tbh it worked however we NK'd the wrong person. But you didnt even say he was noisy, you just voted for him even some small explanation would have been fine.
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You night killed the wrong person? What were you doing trying to night kill someone? :p
 
Leprechaun312 said:
the squabbling is because he has a "niggle" which by the way i still don't what it is he has basically pointed the finger said "you sir, are scum" when asked why "i dunno, but there is something in my teeth" just saying he is pointing the finger with no reason behind it
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That's a convenient sum up of my posts which avoids the fact I have actually justified my niggle a few times now, nearly always at your demand. I'll recap tonight to make it clear.

By the way, I've asked you the same question twice now and you've ignored it both times. Just to point out, now we're being all clear about stuff.

Leprechaun312 said:
day one voting is always going to be a mess in my opinion, iviv gave it a good go and tbh it worked however we NK'd the wrong person. But you didnt even say he was noisy, you just voted for him even some small explanation would have been fine.
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Isn't NK a Night Kill? Interesting that you NK'd the wrong person :p
 
chriscubed said:
There is no default assumption, this isn't a trial in a court where you're innocent until proven guilty. We will all individually get impressions from people (called reads) on whether they are playing in a positive way, or a negative way. You have managed to give negative impressions to several people, and that's why this is happening.

I called out a number of lurkers, of which you were not the worst. You took exception to that, and fair enough, but I don't think you have proved me wrong by doing anything useful for the town since, either. You seem to be waiting for concrete evidence, which is going to be magically provided by the NK - but a) I don't believe the NK will necessarily help and b) Why not try to gather evidence from the voting and people's reactions to it?
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There is a lot between concrete evidence and a guess. I'm suggesting that basically everything was a guess yesterday, a night kill gives us something to read into reactions (and how the night killed person had posted on day one), no night kill leaves us essentially at a blank slate still.

You can't defend against impressions, as I said give me anything beyond gut feeling to defend against again and I can, until then it is impossible.
 
shorttricky said:
That's a convenient sum up of my posts which avoids the fact I have actually justified my niggle a few times now, nearly always at your demand. I'll recap tonight to make it clear.

By the way, I've asked you the same question twice now and you've ignored it both times. Just to point out, now we're being all clear about stuff.
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you havent asked a question, i have just been through and read your post, you never ask a question you just say that you have a niggle and when i challenged you on the vote for pookie you took great offense to it when i was simply looking for an explanation. Also you never justify your niggle you just say you have one.

If you have a question that i am apparently dodging would you mind stating it as i have clearly missed it if you have asked one

shorttricky said:
Isn't NK a Night Kill? Interesting that you NK'd the wrong person :p
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that is not what i meant, i didnt realise NK meant night kill *insert far to many swears here*
 
What would you define concrete evidence in this game, short of someone just standing up and saying 'I am scum please kill me'? The best you can make is an educated guess, and that is what has been going on as you bury your head in the sand and say you can't see anything.
 
iviv said:
What would you define concrete evidence in this game, short of someone just standing up and saying 'I am scum please kill me'? The best you can make is an educated guess, and that is what has been going on as you bury your head in the sand and say you can't see anything.
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Yeah, but there are occasions where some people come out and say they tried to night kill the wrong person which is about as close to a confession as you can get... :p
 
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