[MAFIA] The Thirteen Doctors

Your definition of the word fact is....well just wrong. You don't seem to like others having different opinions. You seem to think I'm trying to tell you how to play the game....I'm not. In fact I'm telling you to stop telling others how to play the game.


Basically you're acting like the Mafia version of a Christian :p
 
Shamikebab said:
Your definition of the word fact is....well just wrong. You don't seem to like others having different opinions. You seem to think I'm trying to tell you how to play the game....I'm not. In fact I'm telling you to stop telling others how to play the game.


Basically you're acting like the Mafia version of a Christian :p
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As far as I remember, the only way I have "told" people how to play the game, is not to lurk. It is in the town's interests for people not to lurk. That is all.

Every time I post something along those lines, one of you or Pookie pipes up with "I don't think lurking is anti-town" or similar. I quoted the wiki so that everyone understands that I am not posting an opinion on what might be anti-town, I am referencing the glossary term "anti-town" from the wiki, which is as close to fact as it needs to be.

I think you and I have a personality clash, because we're both pretty confident in what we think. You just came from a successful game as scum, but I haven't seen anything showing me you know how to play as town.
 
Shamikebab said:
I'm always suspicious of Killswitch for some reason (I was even suspicious of him last game until I remembered I was mafia and knew who the mafia were :p)
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kaiowas said:
I always seem to end up suspicious of K1llswitch too. Not sure whether it goes back to game 2 where he was scum and I damned well knew it but couldn't get a certain unnamed individual to agree with me (;) )or whether he just has a habit of playing the game in a way that makes him look guilty all of the time.
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Is there anything in this particular game that you two are suspicious of or does this simply go back to the previous games, especially game 2? :p
 
While this is getting Shamikebab posting, you two aren't really getting anywhere with this.

I personally have already started my case and reason for voting for Shamikebab, but naturally I'm keeping my eyes open. I'm not convinced if he is scum or not, but regardless he is being disruptive. I say disruptive because you are distracting townies from their attempts to scum hunt (just scroll up to see!) and while chriscubed is arguing with you, he hasn't been negative throughout the game and had been trying to scum hunt.
 
chriscubed said:
As far as I remember, the only way I have "told" people how to play the game, is not to lurk. It is in the town's interests for people not to lurk. That is all.

Every time I post something along those lines, one of you or Pookie pipes up with "I don't think lurking is anti-town" or similar. I quoted the wiki so that everyone understands that I am not posting an opinion on what might be anti-town, I am referencing the glossary term "anti-town" from the wiki, which is as close to fact as it needs to be.
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A wiki is not a written in stone fact based document...until you understand that I'm not sure we can continue this.

You have taken issue with multiple things I've said over the last few days and now when we're looking back for voting patterns and the like we have a 15 page thread to look through. This is why sometimes being 'loud' can be anti-town. It's harder to find the important content when some players insist on everyone talking a lot or they get accused of lurking and pounced on.
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
Is there anything in this particular game that you two are suspicious of or does this simply go back to the previous games, especially game 2? :p
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In this particular game I think it would be more fair to say that I'm wary of you rather than suspicious. Working nights doesn't help your ability to involve yourself which I try to take account of but in general I find too many of your posts are filler rather than actively involving yourself in sharing your insights or opinions of others. The few useful posts you have made have been pretty positive though so I'm not ready to string you up just yet ;)
 
Shamikebab said:
Good grief, the attitude in this game :rolleyes:

I find it amusing the people who were telling me there was plenty to go on day one and I was talking nonsense and being 'anti town' helped kill the cop, good job 'experts' :)
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iviv said:
vote: Shamikebab

I'm torn between if you are scum trying to be so guilty you look innocent since it's too obvious, or if you are a townie and completely apathetic to the whole thing.

Try reading this page? There is lots of information if you just open your eyes. We may not all know the information, but even watching who people are accusing can let you glean information out of people and find out what they know.

Either you are scum or you are this games Fortyseven. A distraction that will keep clouding everything over while you are still alive. Either way things will be much clearer without you and we can focus on scum hunting.
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iviv said:
It's like I said. You are playing extremely negatively and ate either scum trying to appear so obviously anti town that you must be a townie because a scum would never be that obvious.
And if you aren't scum then you are a distraction. Look at what happened last game with Fortyseven. He made one mistake post on the first day and the rest of the game was spent in confusion with everybody going back to him and trying to figure out if he was really town of not, rather than focusing all their attention on proper scum hunting. And I don't want that to happen again this time.
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You have a defeatest attitude that is only going to hurt the town. Look at everyone else posting in the thread, they are picking up on this from the other players, you keep saying that there is no information to go on. If you aren't able to pick up on any of the information that is flowing around then you are a liability, scum or not. And I would have to lean towards scum because I can't believe a townie would play this way.
There are other players I have my eye on, Brabbinho is playing rather dodgily as well so I look forward to hearing more from him.
 
In fact that is the second time you have told me there is a lot of information around without actually sharing any of this information. You seem to be far more interested in a lynching than actual open communication, very odd from someone who keeps claiming he is pro-town.
 
iviv said:
While this is getting Shamikebab posting, you two aren't really getting anywhere with this.
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I agree, it is like arguing with a brick wall.

Shamikebab said:
A wiki is not a written in stone fact based document...until you understand that I'm not sure we can continue this.

You have taken issue with multiple things I've said over the last few days and now when we're looking back for voting patterns and the like we have a 15 page thread to look through. This is why sometimes being 'loud' can be anti-town. It's harder to find the important content when some players insist on everyone talking a lot or they get accused of lurking and pounced on.
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I don't know what you mean by loud? Do you have a text to speech program on your computer which you need to turn down?
I'm done with this - you're arguing with a wiki article written for people to understand what glossary terms in the game mean.

The case against you:
I have seen hardly any posts from you which I would call useful. Anti-town.
You insist that there is no information, even 5 and a half RL days after the start of the game. Anti-town.
You love to argue to the tiniest point to distract from the real issues. Anti-town.
You hammered Fortyseven.

I don't understand why you would play this strategy either as town or scum, but it doesn't matter, you are not useful to the town in my opinion.

vote: Shamikebab
 
iviv is kinda right shamikebab, your posts dont help the town, they dont help us find the scum and the dont help us move on from where we are now. You need to stop arguing with chris and start helping the town find the scum, you currently have one vote against you which isnt so much of a big deal. also i love how iviv posted

I personally have already started my case and reason for voting for Shamikebab, but naturally I'm keeping my eyes open. I'm not convinced if he is scum or not, but regardless he is being disruptive. I say disruptive because you are distracting townies from their attempts to scum hunt (just scroll up to see!) and while chriscubed is arguing with you, he hasn't been negative throughout the game and had been trying to scum hunt.
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and you then ask for his arguement against you, that there is pretty much his argument and it is true.
 
kaiowas said:
In this particular game I think it would be more fair to say that I'm wary of you rather than suspicious. Working nights doesn't help your ability to involve yourself which I try to take account of but in general I find too many of your posts are filler rather than actively involving yourself in sharing your insights or opinions of others. The few useful posts you have made have been pretty positive though so I'm not ready to string you up just yet ;)
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That's a fair comment, at the moment there are two people I suspect, Psymonkee has been incredibly quiet on both days and iviv made a strange post yesterday:

iviv said:
To be honest, mostly self preservation. I would like to think I've been extremely helpful to the town, whereas if I were scum I could have contributed far less while still appearing helpful. Of course, this now leads into the WIFOM case where I could be scum trying to prove I'm townie by being so pro-town to gain your trust therefore I'm scum for being so helpful, and we just keep layering all that up which simply won't be any help for anyone :p

I made that last post there (Technically after the deadline for which I apologise, I hadn't counted the votes when I was posting) which was a cross between sensibility and self preservation. Naturally I don't want to die, so I tried to big myself up a little to make myself a target. We very likely have a protector role of some sort, as well as a few investigators. By making myself an obvious target like that I hoped to act as a lightning rod (Though not the lightning rod role that may be in the game!). I'm an obvious target for the mafia, but that also makes me an obvious target for any healer/protection type roles.

The mafia had a total of either 8 or 9 people to pick from, depending on how many of them there are, while the healer(s) would have had 11. The odds of them both targeting the same person are slim, unless there is one person who makes themselves an obvious target. If both take the bait, there's no night kill.


Again, there are lots of assumptions involved in this (The main one naturally being that I'm not scum, you'll have to trust me on that :p ), but also the other roles involved. Redirection roles could have changed votes from me, but even so the mafia and healer must have targeted the same person and then had the target redirected, still leading to them both targeting the same person, except it wasn't me.
Heck, I may have not even been the target. My guesses and analysis may be so far off the mark that they didn't want to kill me. Or they may not have even submitted a kill.

Townies, it is up to you to use the information you gained overnight. If you protected someone, it is very likely that they are town since multiple protectors is unlikely. If you investigated someone, did it complete? If not, maybe the protector was a jailkeep meaning they couldn't be targeted by night actions. This equally means that you know they are town as well from the above reasoning.

Of course, the chance of redirectors does screw all of this up a little. It's up to you to make your own read, come to your own conclusions based on the information that you gained overnight.
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Based on what I would call an assault on Shami today I would say that post has a little bit of double standards thrown in, especially when iviv says to take him on his word that he's Town. On day 1 I was quite happy to have somebody vocal, trying to steer the game in a positive direction for the town but as time goes on I'm wondering whether this is a massive diversion. For me it's entirely possible that iviv is over playing the pro-town card, we know he isn't the cop (assuming there is only one cop in this game) so he probably doesn't have any insider information as to who people are.
 
That is not an argument! The only type of person that would want to kill a townie is a scum.

I don't post enough and Chris calls you out as a lurker and anti-town. I post more and Iviv calls you out as disruptive and anti-town.

I'm calling for the two dictators to cut the ******** and back up their claims of being 'pro-town'. Share all this information they claim to have gained with the rest of the town so we can hunt for the mafia.

If they refuse to do this then it is clear their agenda is elsewhere.
 
K1llsw1tch, mind if I address your post when I'm home, it will require lots of post referencing which is a pain on a phone!

Ditto to you Shamikebab, though as I said, if I see someone playing more scummy then I will switch my vote. However as I have stated in my posts above, you aren't playing pro town.
I am not trying to dictate how you should or shouldn't be paying the game. However, if you are playing it in a way that is negative towards the town in my view then of course I will oppose you. I'll go through and compile what my feelings are of everyone in the game and what I think based on their postings.
 
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