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[MAFIA] The Thirteen Doctors
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To be fair on Leprechaun, I've had to ask what one of the abbreviations was - but to use NK in the wrong context is pretty funny - it would be harsh to lynch someone on the basis of a faux-pas, but I suppose it's a concrete as any other lynching 
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Probably meant lynch but it's still pretty hilarious either way. HANG THE SCUM! 
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sigh...... suppose i'll go hang myself will I? 
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There are one or two people I'd consider more likely to be Scum than you at the moment, slip of the tongue or no.
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Haha! Rest easy. I'm not going to vote for you on that basis, Leprechaunsigh...... suppose i'll go hang myself will I?
I might find another reason, but your reaction in response to your mistake has been funny - and make sme think you're genuinely horrified that you might have messed it up That said, it may be enough for some to vote for you...
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There's no need to apologise.
Look at it this way - this is my take and the timeline of events from my point of view. There is no way to accurately identify the bad guys - all we can act on is behaviour. Two guys start the game off loudly proclaiming that everyone needs to be involved (I agree), that we need a lynching (I also agree) and that not taking part is anti-town (it doesn't help, but not sure I see it as anti-town - it certainly isn't fgood though).
My response to this is that lynching the quiet people in the past has failed and so voting randomly is not helping. I am labelled anti-town. I also have a go at people by stating that day one votes (and potentially others) are nothing more than a guess and that using the word educated in front of the word guess doesn't make it any more accurate. This also raises ire among some - and is labelled anti-town. Just quickly, Chriscubed, the difference between me and you so far, is that you instantly label someone who doesn't agree with you "anti-town" - I just call them "someone who doesn't agree with me".
Carrying on, Fortyseven flings some poop at me. I defend my position. I get labelled mafia. Some more people vote for me. I get annoyed and frustrated because I'm not one of the bad guys and my annoyance starts to show in my posts (because this is exactly what happened in my last game when I was the cop).
Night falls, I'm not lynched and I'm not NK'd. People wake up and the town is somewhat calmer.
The bottom line (and this is at no-one in particular) is that shouting "I'm pro-town and/or you're anti-town!" does not mean you are or that I am - and the louder you shout it, the less inclined I am to believe you.
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You'd have to try a lot harder than asking me a question for me to take "great offense"
You've continued to press me on my opinion despite:
I have tried to answer you every time. I know it won't satisfy you, but I'm also not really sure what you expected me to have on day one. I will however recap later (I'm too busy to be trawling back through 14 odd pages right this second). I know you hate vagueness.
Nice and informative there.
By the way, my question...
There seems to be three camps - those who thought the increased pressure and new tactics on day 1 were useful and those that do not.
Then there are those who don't seem to care either way and haven't really expressed a view on it. Perhaps these folk are the ones we should be concentrating on because we obviously got it very wrong with 47 and at the minute the scum don't need to be do much. They can let us squabble amongst ourselves.
I'm still of the opinion that using similar tactics to that of day 1 are the way to go. If we apply the pressure and vote a scum up to 6 votes, putting their 'life' in the balance then we're going to get some sort of reaction.
Then there are those who don't seem to care either way and haven't really expressed a view on it. Perhaps these folk are the ones we should be concentrating on because we obviously got it very wrong with 47 and at the minute the scum don't need to be do much. They can let us squabble amongst ourselves.
I'm still of the opinion that using similar tactics to that of day 1 are the way to go. If we apply the pressure and vote a scum up to 6 votes, putting their 'life' in the balance then we're going to get some sort of reaction.
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I'm pretty sure my answer was I'm not defending pookie and that I just wantedYou'd have to try a lot harder than asking me a question for me to take "great offense"
You've continued to press me on my opinion despite:
I have tried to answer you every time. I know it won't satisfy you, but I'm also not really sure what you expected me to have on day one. I will however recap later (I'm too busy to be trawling back through 14 odd pages right this second). I know you hate vagueness.
Nice and informative there.
By the way, my question...
an explanation for your vote on pookie
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I'd like to see more from Brabbinho and Killswitch, I'm always suspicious of Killswitch for some reason (I was even suspicious of him last game until I remembered I was mafia and knew who the mafia were )
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anti-town isn't something I've invented. I researched the game through the wiki and an example game, and found that people say lurking is anti-town, because it gives less information for townies to read people, and isn't helping to scumhunt. Both Jedi and iviv, the players who have played outside of our failed town games, say the same thing. Why do you persist with disagreeing with the establishment?
Also lurking is not just not taking part (e.g. Psymonkee), it's posting without anything useful, trying to blend in without sticking your neck out.
I disagree that the first day is just a guess. The evidence we collect is from the way people interact. There is interaction on day 1. Therefore, there is evidence, therefore there is an educated guess. I don't see why you would refute that.
No, I label anti-town players as "anti-town". I don't label them anti-town when they have different reads to me.
I know first-hand how annoying it is when you get wrongly accused, but this is a game of accusals, defences and subsequent observations. I actually think you sound townie when you're defending yourself, but your behaviour seemed anti-town yesterday.
Who's shouting? I am behaving pro-town as I have from the start, and in time most of the sensible, active posters in the thread realised that for themselves.
Whether mafia players are playing pro-town too remains to be seen, but until players stop lurking and playing anti-town, how are we meant to concentrate on them?
From my experience in the last game, not putting pressure on people is a massive gift to the mafia, putting pressure on straight away is absolutely necessary. This isn't a game where you can sit back and wait for something to become obvious because it won't happen.
I'd also say that if there is something amiss you absolutely need to press it. Last game I only had to defend myself in a couple of posts when people had raised valid points. If we see something here then it's absolutely a case that the person gets pressed and pressed properly.
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Congratulations, you've read a wiki.
There is no one correct way to do things, different people have different opinions. Your behavior could just as easily be read as anti-town.
The mere fact that we're discussing what it means to be pro or anti town instead of trying to find the mafia shows that your aggressive style of posting is causing a distraction. If people aren't playing the game exactly the way you want it to be played then you don't seem to be happy.
There is no one correct way to do things, different people have different opinions. Your behavior could just as easily be read as anti-town.
The mere fact that we're discussing what it means to be pro or anti town instead of trying to find the mafia shows that your aggressive style of posting is causing a distraction. If people aren't playing the game exactly the way you want it to be played then you don't seem to be happy.
I'd like to see more from Brabbinho and Killswitch, I'm always suspicious of Killswitch for some reason (I was even suspicious of him last game until I remembered I was mafia and knew who the mafia were
I always seem to end up suspicious of K1llswitch too. Not sure whether it goes back to game 2 where he was scum and I damned well knew it but couldn't get a certain unnamed individual to agree with me (
)or whether he just has a habit of playing the game in a way that makes him look guilty all of the time.
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I suggest you do the same, and go read the wiki, then you can stop disagreeing with me on points of fact. How can my behaviour be read as anti-town?
WIKI said:
Lurking is anti-town behaviour. It doesn't prove you are scum, you could be a poor town player instead.
No, your (and Pookie's) constant disagreements with well established glossary terms are what is distracting. And no, I won't be happy as unless certain people stop arguing over glossary terms and start actually scum hunting, town will be unlikely to lynch accurately.
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You quoted a wiki? Now I'm ultra convinced!