That's a fair comment, at the moment there are two people I suspect, Psymonkee has been incredibly quiet on both days and iviv made a strange post yesterday:
Based on what I would call an assault on Shami today I would say that post has a little bit of double standards thrown in, especially when iviv says to take him on his word that he's Town. On day 1 I was quite happy to have somebody vocal, trying to steer the game in a positive direction for the town but as time goes on I'm wondering whether this is a massive diversion. For me it's entirely possible that iviv is over playing the pro-town card, we know he isn't the cop (assuming there is only one cop in this game) so he probably doesn't have any insider information as to who people are.
I've also been consistent with one thing I have kept saying, and that is that I am still looking at other options. There are 3-4 scum out there, any time a bandwagon is starting, the scum will want to jump on to score themselves another kill, except if it is on one of their own. This is why votes are important early as well at throughout the vote period. Once you reach the end of the game, you can go back through previous votes, see who different people voted for. Did one player always join on bandwagons in the middle or near the end, except when it was on people who were lynched as scum? Who wasn't involved in the scum lynches? Things like that are key information, and that's why I voted early, both today and yesterday.
The above two quotes go together because they are extremely relevant. iviv talks about hunting down the mafia, then decides to vote for Shami because he's a distraction. Now that is a fact. That is evidence I can base an opinion on. That is why I say:
##vote iviv
As above, I have repeatedly stated that I am still looking at other options (And mentioned Brabbinho as I was suspicious of him from Day 1 as well). By voting on someone early, it forces discussion (And indeed we finally got some content out of Shamikebab, a post which I will comment on later). But lets have a look at the majority of his early game posts:
I'd hardly say I was lurking. It's day one, there is nothing to go on at the moment so it's just people blind firing out votes. We have plenty of time so there is no need to vote someone based on their facial hair yet.
Sure, but there is not a lot to discuss at the moment really.
And i say there is no such thing as a well reasoned Day 1 lynch. I've already said it's needed but lets not kid ourselves that it's anything other than random.
People need to defend themselves sure....how exactly? People's votes are dubious at best and down right random at worst, no defense is possible against a vote without justification.
That's not really a case at all, it's just blind guessing. Pretending it's anything other than that at this stage is ridiculous.
Incorrect.
Several people have posted guesses about how they guess they feel about people at this point. Pretending it is anything other than that is ignorant.
Everyone else has been contributing, analysing posts, discussing what has happened, even on day 1. Your attitude was simply 'There is no information' despite the fact that the posts everyone was making were information. Look at who people discuss. Myself and a couple of others even posted reads on the other players dissecting their posts during that first day, while you couldn't see anything at all and then admit you only go with the majority to lynch rather than having a reason behind it? I had already stated in my read that fortyseven seemed a little suspicious, and while he did turn out to be the cop, my vote had reason behind it rather than being a 'follow the crowd and vote because we need a lynch' vote. And while your vote was important for us to at least gain information, I had some conviction behind mine. Wrongly placed, but I tried.
And again, I make the comparison back to Fortyseven in the previous game. A flawed action on day one and the rest of the game was twisted. Each day he was kept alive, each day the townies kept second guessing themselves, is he really a townie or was he scum and making a scum move? Unless someone else does something to appear more scummy than you, you are currently the biggest target on my radar because your early game reeks of scum play, not giving anything away, not giving any input, then bringing down the hammer under the pretext of not having anything against the guy, we just have to have a lynch.
From this point on, there will be a constant doubt. Are you just a townie who made a stupid move, or are you really scum. Either way you will be a distraction throughout the game. And if we don't have a more likely scum target, I believe it is you.
well shamikebab, that is quite a thorough analysis of what has happened, and i am inclined to agree on most of it. the point about the "alliance" is quite true, they are swaying the town, they push for lynches and get them on....townies, admittedly i joined, but i was swayed and tbh we did need a lynch. the problem with this is that all the mafia have to do is sit back and wait for the "alliance" to their job for them and kill innocent townies, while the mafia kill of even more townies. This is assuming the "alliance" isn't mafia, if the "alliance" is mafia, then they are playing one hell of a game forcing through lynches and then NK'S (i now know what this actually means
) if special roles didnt come into play.
I have been against Shamikebab since day 1 with the way he has been posting. The fact that someone else is agreeing with me and posting with equal fervour is a little worrying, and I am certainly not going to start simply agreeing with everything he says purely because he agrees with me. As I have stated before, starting a vote early gets discussion really going. People are now voting and showing what they believe, whereas if there hadn't been votes cast, would there be anywhere near this level of discussion and analysis? I doubt it. I have no intention of killing innocent townies, and my posts are naturally just my opinion from what I am reading out of people's posts. Of course I may be wrong, and that is the point of this game. As a group we have to figure out who the scum is, they won't volunteer the information themselves.
I do not expect anyone to follow all of my posts blindly. If that were to happen it would hardly be a game. Everything I state is my opinion and my interpretation behind what I am seeing being posted by everyone on here. In return, we need everyone else to do the same. Another player may pick up on something subtle that everyone else misses, and that's why I would encourage people to do analysis's of everyone else's posts throughout the game.
). I had to remove Leprechaun's dangling end quote because it broke the flow of this
