[MAFIA] The Thirteen Doctors

[Pudney]

You've been very quiet Pudney. Why's that then? Do you have any suspicions you'd like to share?

I do have suspicions, you may able to guess where they're directed right now. I am mindful of reading too much at the moment, in the nicest possible way I expected 47 to have learnt from the last game but it turns out he didn't!

My entire thought process is towards what I'd do as mafia, right now I'm choosing to ignore the Shami/iviv/Chris spat as it screams townie and a mafia would try not to get involved like that I think. So that leads me to seeing who's encouraging the argument.

 

[chriscubed]

As I've said it didn't matter. It was a guess whatever happened. You're one the one trying to claim that you're some big guardian angel who is training is all and I'm saying it's done jack squat in day one and it's heading the same way in day 2. You're all talk and minimal useful output. In the end your huge plans for day one resulted in the worst possible outcome.

If you have a random vote on day 1, how are you meant to glean any information from it in day 2?

The reason day 1 voting did not go well is because many people were unavailable and we voted for the only possible lynch rather than my, and other's preferred lynch.

 

[Shamikebab]

So if many didn't vote for their preferred lynch what information have we got? We've ended up with a day of about 25 votes and a load of people just voting to get a lynch. In the end I struggled to find anyone that actually had a case against 47 yet he's ended up getting 7 votes! Which was your preferred lynch? Vote one? two? three? or you entirely separate vote today? All your 'experience' looks like a headless chicken running around a yard.

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

Was this your cards on the table?

Currently my thoughts are this:

1) This whole Shami/iviv/Chris argument looks like townies arguing amongst themselves.
2) I'd expect at least one mafia to stir, in the past game this was done with 47 by both myself and Shami on different days.
3) I'm not sure what K1LLSW1TCH has actually helpfully posted in the last 4 pages (I got bored of going further back) - it's mostly jokes and defence on Shami.

I would really like to hear K1LLSW1TCH's "cards on the table" unless he meant he was just waiting to vote for iviv.

Well, initially I was going to vote for Psymonkee just to get him out of the game, but he may end up being auto killed anyway. Fortyseven has double the posts of him and he's been dead since Saturday or whenever it was.

The only others who I'm suspicious of in any way are Leprechaun, Chris and Iviv. Leprechaun's posting today has been erratic to say the very least, the quadruple post was just the cherry on the cake. I'm not sure if he's actually scum or whether he's just had a bit of a derp day to be honest, it's still a bit fishy to me though.

Chris was much more vocal and insistent on day 1, he's sort of dropped off a bit today though given his apparent lack of experience he does seem to know an awful lot about the game, or at least that is the impression that I get from him. When he talks it comes across as if he is trying to push some sort of authority onto the town and I'm not sure if I like it. Day 1 needed people to make quick decisions and get things moving which is why I applauded both Chris and Iviv, today though I'm not sure if I want it to continue.

Iviv really does seem to want the town to be driven in a specific direction, as if he wants to be the chief. With Chris backing him up we have two players being incredibly vocal and incredibly shady in some of his posts. He has contradicted his self a few times too. I believe he said early on that true townies don't need to prove they are town, then goes onto state that he is in fact town in virtually every post.

Not to mention the heavy handed treatment of Shami for not playing the game the "correct" way. It just feels like both Chris and Iviv are being far too forceful at the moment and I don't like it at all.

 

[chriscubed]

So if many didn't vote for their preferred lynch what information have we got? We've ended up with a day of about 25 votes and a load of people just voting to get a lynch. In the end I struggled to find anyone that actually had a case against 47 yet he's ended up getting 7 votes! Which was your preferred lynch? Vote one? two? three? or you entirely separate vote today? All your 'experience' looks like a headless chicken running around a yard.

Did you miss the question?
If you have a random vote on day 1, how are you meant to glean any information from it in day 2?

And you also ignored the bit about people being unavailable. Convenient for you.

 

[Pudney]

An interesting post.

Personally I'm not sure if Psymonkee not voting is suspicious or not, I don't think he would do something so obviously against the grain if he were Scum, but I have no allegiance toward him so I'm not sticking up for him, just saying.

As for the night kill not happening I agree with your theory, it's not very likely that the Scum would have missed the opportunity to give a target to Jedit. As you've said if there are 3 of them then all 3 not being active last night would be incredibly unlikely and the likeliest scenario is somebody is either bulletproof or has been protected by another player.

We were super unlucky that the cop got offed first, unless there are other Town players who have similar abilities.

Personally iviv, I wouldn't point the finger at you at the moment. Obviously your pro-town actions could be a front but seeing as you're being so genuinely useful to the rest of the town it won't really matter if you're Scum or not at this stage. As long as you remain an asset to the town, we do need to lynch a bad guy this time though, losing the cop was a bit of a blow.

Well, initially I was going to vote for Psymonkee just to get him out of the game, but he may end up being auto killed anyway. Fortyseven has double the posts of him and he's been dead since Saturday or whenever it was.

The only others who I'm suspicious of in any way are Leprechaun, Chris and Iviv. Leprechaun's posting today has been erratic to say the very least, the quadruple post was just the cherry on the cake. I'm not sure if he's actually scum or whether he's just had a bit of a derp day to be honest, it's still a bit fishy to me though.

Chris was much more vocal and insistent on day 1, he's sort of dropped off a bit today though given his apparent lack of experience he does seem to know an awful lot about the game, or at least that is the impression that I get from him. When he talks it comes across as if he is trying to push some sort of authority onto the town and I'm not sure if I like it. Day 1 needed people to make quick decisions and get things moving which is why I applauded both Chris and Iviv, today though I'm not sure if I want it to continue.

Iviv really does seem to want the town to be driven in a specific direction, as if he wants to be the chief. With Chris backing him up we have two players being incredibly vocal and incredibly shady in some of his posts. He has contradicted his self a few times too. I believe he said early on that true townies don't need to prove they are town, then goes onto state that he is in fact town in virtually every post.

Not to mention the heavy handed treatment of Shami for not playing the game the "correct" way. It just feels like both Chris and Iviv are being far too forceful at the moment and I don't like it at all.

Where did your desire come from to vote for psymonkee? You've given no other indication of it?

What makes you think iviv is now acting anti-town from this morning? And why vote for iviv, just to defend Shami?

 

[Shamikebab]

What is there to say to that? People will always be unavailable, we have lives. The night kill and people's reaction to it gives you a lot more to go on than the whole of day one. It's unlikely you'd find a mafia in day two either though. Roles need to be given time and voting patterns over days need to be analysed. Imagine if you just did the same thing today as you did in day one (Interesting side question, why haven't you? No attempt to get the lurkers to vote by throwing out votes today eh?) then by day 3 or 4 we could have 50 pages of thread and hundreds of votes to look through. The town has little to no chance of being able to find the gold in all that muck.

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

Where did your desire come from to vote for psymonkee? You've given no other indication of it?

What makes you think iviv is now acting anti-town from this morning? And why vote for iviv, just to defend Shami?

I think that was actually the first time that I've mentioned Psymonkee, I've not made any remarks about him in this game previous to that, and as I've said it was simply to get an inactive player out of the game.

As for Iviv, well I thought on day 1 it was useful to have somebody try and hurry things along a bit for us, somebody to push the rest of the town into kickstarting the game instead of talking about beards. When this continued on day 2 however, and with the continued backup of Chris it just felt a little bit off to me. I don't know about you but I don't want two people trying to dictate what the rest of us should or shouldn't be doing or saying. They both come across as very domineering in this particular game and the treatment of Shami has been a little odd to say the least.

He has been jumped on from what I can tell for not playing the game the way they want him to, while employing hilarious double standards at the same time. I mean Iviv posted yesterday that we just have to take his word for it that he's town, personally I don't take anybody on their word in this game, it's the contents of their posts and their manner in dealing with the other players that I take them on.

 

[Pudney]

I think that was actually the first time that I've mentioned Psymonkee, I've not made any remarks about him in this game previous to that, and as I've said it was simply to get an inactive player out of the game.

As for Iviv, well I thought on day 1 it was useful to have somebody try and hurry things along a bit for us, somebody to push the rest of the town into kickstarting the game instead of talking about beards. When this continued on day 2 however, and with the continued backup of Chris it just felt a little bit off to me. I don't know about you but I don't want two people trying to dictate what the rest of us should or shouldn't be doing or saying. They both come across as very domineering in this particular game and the treatment of Shami has been a little odd to say the least.

He has been jumped on from what I can tell for not playing the game the way they want him to, while employing hilarious double standards at the same time. I mean Iviv posted yesterday that we just have to take his word for it that he's town, personally I don't take anybody on their word in this game, it's the contents of their posts and their manner in dealing with the other players that I take them on.

You see, the fact you've been helping the argument by defending Shami, you've seemed to switch over the course of the day makes me suspicious of you. The Psymonkee part is still confusing me, you were going to vote for him to get an inactive player out, but now you're happy that you don't need to because he's not meeting the post requirements? Had you not realised that earlier?

On the flip side you're not being massively suspicious. Your point about iviv, he doesn't seem to be much different from yestergameday, he has Shami in his sights and is going after him (wrongly I think). Personally I'm ignoring the three of them now whilst they talk to each other. You're much more interesting.

However, I started the poor 47 decision so I'm not voting for you yet as my decision making has been rubbish so far

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

The Psymonkee part is still confusing me, you were going to vote for him to get an inactive player out, but now you're happy that you don't need to because he's not meeting the post requirements? Had you not realised that earlier?

There's nothing to be confused about, I said that initially I was considering voting for him, but that he'll probably end up being automatically killed anyway so there's no point. I'm not sure where the confusion can be made there, it's pretty black and white.

On the flip side you're not being massively suspicious. Your point about iviv, he doesn't seem to be much different from yestergameday, he has Shami in his sights and is going after him (wrongly I think). Personally I'm ignoring the three of them now whilst they talk to each other. You're much more interesting.

I've stated above the reasons why. There's a big difference between the first day and all the other days. Nobody has anything on day one, when somebody decides to step up earlier and start the ball rolling it's good for the entire town. When that same person and their lapdog decide to carry on with this "gentle nudging" in day 2 where does it end? Day 3? Day 4? When all the townies are dead? I have no attachment to Shami, I simply don't like the way he is being pushed about for no apparent good reason other than failing to display the "proper" form.

 

[Pookie Bear]

Shorttricky, will you please, please stop saying that I've been back and forth on voting. It's getting tedious - and it's wrong. I have never said that lynching is a bad idea. I maintain that throwing loads of votes about is not helpful, but always said that we need to lynch - but to try and be a little more deliberate about how we go about things. And if you're going to lynch Leprechaun, then fill your boots, but leave me out of it!

 

[JeditOjanen]

Vote Tracker has been updated. Current vote leaders: iviv/Shamikebab (3), Leprechaun312 (1).

Deadline is in 23 hours, but can extend slightly further as I will be out until roughly 2330.

Psymonkee, let me know if you are unable to post more than you currently are doing and I will try to arrange a replacement. If you are able to post more, please do.

And yes, can people stop posting in bold. There's several of you have done it and it's a pain when you're skimming for votes. Thank you.

 

[Egon]

10am and no post yet? Just over 12 hours to go and no clear favoured target? The mafia must be rubbing their hands with glee at this one.

 

[Pookie Bear]

10am and no post yet? Just over 12 hours to go and no clear favoured target? The mafia must be rubbing their hands with glee at this one.

Well, my cards are already on the table and the last non-admin post was mine, so I didn't want to spam

Everyone else can make their choice as their consciences see fit. I've put my thoughts down and I'll live or die by my choice. Seeing as I started the vote on iviv, if it turns out I'm wrong and he's town, then I'll take whatever consequences my fellow townies decide is appropriate.

 

[Shamikebab]

I'm still waiting for Chris and Iviv to share all this information they claim to have. They have spent more time talking about the amount of information they have and how pro-town they are than actually sharing anything of value.

 

[Egon]

Oh how I wish our cop could have had at least 1 investigation. We might have had a little clarity on the debate which is dominating the game.

 

[Leprechaun312]

tbh I am looking for a reason to vote for someone and I don't want to bandwagon. currently no one stands out for me, as cleat scum but I'm waiting to see what iviv has to say, his control over the town has to have a motive and I am questioning wether it is to lynch all the innocent townies or scumhunt

 

[kaiowas]

As I've already indicated, I'm reluctant to take sides with regard to the primary vote split in this town as I can see both sides of it. I support Chris, iviv and others in their approach to the game and I think it's the right way to play. Shami is being very vocal in his objection to this style of play which is causing a conflict and whilst this looks like a scum tactic at first glance I really do believe it's just poor town play from Shami and see no benefit to lynching him for it.

As myself and Pudney amongst others have suggested, it is likely that the main protagonists in this dispute are likely to be mostly town with the scum chipping in occasionally from the sidelines just to stoke the fires.

What does interest me is that despite Shami's opposition to chris/iviv it is others who are voting for iviv. Shami is not currently voting. This to me suggests that maybe 1 or 2 scum have seen an opportunity to try and remove a player who is benefitting town and jumped on a bandwagon a little prematurely.

 

[Shamikebab]

I have explained why haven't voted yet. Mafia could be stepping in to try and take advantage but frankly at 3-0 to me they would be more likely to vote for me than start a vote for iviv surely? Especially as if Iviv gets lynched and turns out to be town they would be immediately under suspicion.

 

[kaiowas]

Comparing your current position to 47 in the last game, you're both playing what is perceived as an 'anti-town' game (whether you are scum or not) and as a result are the subject of much suspicion which is diverting attention from looking for other suspects. It is very much in the interests of the scum to keep you in the game as the uncertainty gives them an easy ride. They might kill you if there's no other option but they'd much rather kill someone else and let the question marks over your alignment carry on for another day or 2.