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Possibly to try and get us to lynch iviv instead? iviv wasn't good news for mafia.
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Possibly to try and get us to lynch iviv instead? iviv wasn't good news for mafia.
Caporegime
Maybe but it was going to be hard to get a town switch from 0-3 to 7 for someone else without all the mafia voting. Would have been a very risky play once it turned out he wasn't mafia.
Soldato
Which you would have probably taken the heat for. Win/Win for the scum if you're town.
Caporegime
This is true, also the main reason I didn't vote for Iviv until it got to the point where the whole town was silent and we were heading for no lynch. Mind you I'm not sure how people would have reacted if we lynched Iviv and it turned out he was neutral.
Soldato
Something else I've just spotted. During the 2 lynchings thus far, 6 of the 7 votes have come from the same people (iviv, shami, leprechaun, pudney, egon and myself).
The extra votes were:
killswitch participated in the lynching of forty seven but not in the lynching of brabbinho
pookie hammered brabbinho but did not vote for fortyseven.
Not entirely sure what this means yet but it might have a bearing somewhere.
The extra votes were:
killswitch participated in the lynching of forty seven but not in the lynching of brabbinho
pookie hammered brabbinho but did not vote for fortyseven.
Not entirely sure what this means yet but it might have a bearing somewhere.
1) To ensure the argument continued - it was a distraction to the real job at hand.
2) Because uncertainty is the best weapon during the day for the mafia - they don't want people around where everyone is comfortable with their role. That's one less lynching target.
3) To build relationship with you - used effectively last game by me with Egon.
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Kaiowas, if I was indeed scum then why would I NOT vote for Brabbinho? Especially as a lot of people very quickly changed their votes, it would have been incredibly easy for me to change my vote too and slip under the radar in that regard.
I'd made my vote decision far earlier than the whole Brabbinho thing and I'd already expressed my concerns on everybody following Iviv blindly. It would've been somewhat hypocritical and highly suspicious of me if I'd then turned around and followed Iviv's recommendation only a few hours later. Personally I don't think it's fair that you've simply said whoever didn't vote for him is suspicious. That just makes YOU look suspicious in my eyes considering you were one of the first to switch and you yourself even admitted you were jumping on a bandwagon.
I don't have a crystal ball and Brabbinho didn't even seem to do anything scummy, if he turned out to be town this would've been a very different conversation we're having.
I'd made my vote decision far earlier than the whole Brabbinho thing and I'd already expressed my concerns on everybody following Iviv blindly. It would've been somewhat hypocritical and highly suspicious of me if I'd then turned around and followed Iviv's recommendation only a few hours later. Personally I don't think it's fair that you've simply said whoever didn't vote for him is suspicious. That just makes YOU look suspicious in my eyes considering you were one of the first to switch and you yourself even admitted you were jumping on a bandwagon.
I don't have a crystal ball and Brabbinho didn't even seem to do anything scummy, if he turned out to be town this would've been a very different conversation we're having.
Soldato
No, you're right, he didn't done anything massively scummy, but he did nothing pro-town either. He was just drifting along, trying not to get noticed. This is why I am less sure about you, as you have been a little more pro-town.
Brabbinho flipped scum, so your last point is completely irrelevant.
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Apart from not voting for Brabbinho and then refusing to be drawn into some sort of feeding frenzy I'm not sure what I've actually done wrong. I joined the rest of the town in the day 1 lunch and it killed the cop, hence my reluctance in not doing so a second time. Unfortunately for me this time you guys actually lynched somebody who needed lynching but I'm not sure how that's my fault.
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***Day 1 lynch, but a day 1 lunch would've been good too. 
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***Day 1 lynch, but a day 1 lunch would've been good too.
It would be a more gentlemanly way to start the game
Soldato
It would be a more gentlemanly way to start the game
lol after dessert "right o' chaps, shall we start a little game of mafia?"
Soldato
It would have been easy for you to switch but by doing so you would have risked contributing to a lynch that was far from a certainty to happen. By not switching your vote you increased the chances of Brabbinho surviving which, as scum, would have been very much in your interests.
By the time it became clear the lynch was gonig to happen there was a very small time window for you to get your "ass covering" vote in
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I'm not sure it would have been so easy for you to switch at the end, because you had already posted this:
As you say it would have been suspicious if you had changed to vote Brabbinho having said that, so you were stuck between a rock and a hard place then. Vote Brabbinho having said you didn't want to, or stick to your guns and be under scrutiny the next day for not joining the vote.
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Or that was exactly what happened, but it was Pookie/Leprechaun...
I went back through K1ll's posts today, I find myself agreeing with a lot of them - I didn't really remember his posts because they'd mostly been at night, so they weren't really part of the conversation.
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Exactly. I mean I didn't KNOW Brabbinho was scum, had I known then of course I would have voted for him but it seems to me like Kaiowas is trying to catch me out with the wording and structure of his posts. I kept my vote because of reasons already explained, I wasn't going to flip over just because Iviv demanded it, which seems to be what many people did.
Fair enough it did work out for us on this occasion, look at day 1 to see how it could easily have gone another way though. I will stick to my principles regardless, I'm not going to blindly follow somebody if I have no solid feeling behind it.
Soldato
hhhmmm..... if anything, the mafia removing iviv has sorted halted the thread, no one there to push things along. so though i would post my thoughts and see what people think
Psymonkee: Currently has missed two votes, only really participates about once every 24 hours however what he says tends to be pro town. I think his missing of the two votes has literally been due to him missing the 6th and hammer. also if he were scum, he's playing it pretty passively and not really having much effect on the town. Likely town, could be passive scum
Chris: Had him marked as town after my early suspicions and his not voting for brabb, either he did just miss the vote which i believe to be true (would be kinda hypocritical of me to not believe his reason when i have slipped up about 3 times) or he is scum trying to cover his lack for brabb. Likely town
Kill: If he had switched his vote to brabb last night it would seem kinda hypocritical considering he was voting for iviv on the basis of he didnt like him starting bandwagons and getting everyone to join, so why would he join.....iviv's bandwagon even though it was successful in lynching a scumbeeegggg. neutral, i have no idea which way he swings
Shot: During the lynch of brabb last night he seemed to be very....asbsent, and during the lynching of 47. i assume he has just missed both the lynching and his voting for me and pookie is just due to his suspicions. Probably town, nothing really hints scum (he voted me last round, clearly scum)
Personally i think psymonkee really should be considered, even if he seems pro-town the lack of voting twice now and only occassion input doesnt really help the town. However voting for him would be like iviv's vote for shami in the last day. Based on him being a distraction rather than his behaviour seeming scum like.
Psymonkee: Currently has missed two votes, only really participates about once every 24 hours however what he says tends to be pro town. I think his missing of the two votes has literally been due to him missing the 6th and hammer. also if he were scum, he's playing it pretty passively and not really having much effect on the town. Likely town, could be passive scum
Chris: Had him marked as town after my early suspicions and his not voting for brabb, either he did just miss the vote which i believe to be true (would be kinda hypocritical of me to not believe his reason when i have slipped up about 3 times) or he is scum trying to cover his lack for brabb. Likely town
Kill: If he had switched his vote to brabb last night it would seem kinda hypocritical considering he was voting for iviv on the basis of he didnt like him starting bandwagons and getting everyone to join, so why would he join.....iviv's bandwagon even though it was successful in lynching a scumbeeegggg. neutral, i have no idea which way he swings
Shot: During the lynch of brabb last night he seemed to be very....asbsent, and during the lynching of 47. i assume he has just missed both the lynching and his voting for me and pookie is just due to his suspicions. Probably town, nothing really hints scum (he voted me last round, clearly scum
) Personally i think psymonkee really should be considered, even if he seems pro-town the lack of voting twice now and only occassion input doesnt really help the town. However voting for him would be like iviv's vote for shami in the last day. Based on him being a distraction rather than his behaviour seeming scum like.
I dispute that Psymonkee has acted pro town, he's posted a summary post that was nothing more than talking around the subject, and a post to try to indicate that the mafia had all jumped on Brabbinho which smacks of an attempt to create discord.
Soldato
after rereading the summary post, i am inclined to agree. It is really a recap...of everything that had happened up until his post rather than actually analyzing it. I missed that, good job on pointing it out
Soldato
^^bingo!
Seems I've missed another night after working all day and then drinking most of the night away!
I saw the result of the NK but by then I was in my bed and trying to sleep.
My lack of participation has been worrying but the excuses are genuine and I can only apologise for that.
I can offer the following information however:
On the first night I watched chriscubed - no one visited him but no NK happened either!
On the second night I watched Leprechaun and no one visited him either yet iviv was NK'd - maybe something to look into?
I realise being this forthcoming will make me a likely target for the mafia to NK tomorrow night but given my lack of participation it's about all I've got to help the town with.
Maybe it'll be of some use to one of you?
/Drunk first doctor signing off