Yeah an electronics package light years ahead of the rest of the field.
didnt realise he ever drove for williams
Malaysia Grand Prix 2012, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/20
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didnt realise he ever drove for williams
As matters turned out, he was absolutely right to wriggle free of Williams and stick with BAR/Honda. And I'm pretty sure that 'poor old Frank' was used to that sort of thing after the Alesi affair
For those who either weren't watching F1 back in the early '90s, or just weren't paying attention, Jean Alesi had signed for Williams before joining Ferrari in 1991. How different might his career have been if he'd gone to partner Our Nige....but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that he wouldn't be thought of half as fondly as he still is today by F1 fans.
I hate to go all GD on you, but....cite your source?
All a cursory Google search has turned up for me is some random rumour-mongering on Yahoo! Answers.Absolutely. Hopefully this year we'll see Lewis Hamilton start to mature as well. I thought at the time that his bruising start to the '09 season had done the trick.
Last season proved me very wrong
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There's no direct path to F1, success in other series doesn't mean much.
Otherwise Sébastien Bourdais would have been the hottest property around when he joined F1.
Not all F2, GP2 and Formula 3000 champions made it to F1. Though a lot do, many also come from other series. As such feeder-series, which some of these competitions like to call themselves is a misnomer.
Button is a great talent - is he any better than many other drivers? Who knows, Rubens beat him consistently in that dog of a Honda, but Button got the upper hand at Brawn.
Are you seriously going to pretend you have even the slightest clue what actually happened here, or do you know Jenson Button personally?
I make it you're about a sixth-hand source for any story like this, and judging someone like they're a character on Eastenders is pretty damned poor.
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Seriously who he gets knocked up or however many abortions someone has is nothing to do with F1 - who cares about it.
Yeah an electronics package light years ahead of the rest of the field.
It comes from his benetton days, his attitude there and turning his back on poor old frank with the contract wrangling. Or getting his then GF to have an abortion with the promise of staying together, to then run for the hills.
Most of my friends that watch gp's still hate him and cannot get it into their heads that he was a young man whose head was turned when every thing fell into his lap. He just wasn't mature enough or mentally ready. He didn't get the greatest advice either.
People just don't seem to want to accept he's no longer the same person he was at 21. We all have done lot's of growing up since then.
He made lot's of mistakes in his early 20's. The good thing is he stopped making them.
I still think Benetton was the wrong deal for him (or anyone who wasnt using Briatore as a personal manager as well as their team boss)
JB made mistakes as well, but as you stated he learnt (relatively quickly) from them and has become a great driver
I hate to go all GD on you, but....cite your source?
It was in the crappy red tops at the time, she sold her story, some stuff about having an abortion to support his career and he dumped her. I'm not saying it's the truth, I was just citing reasons why I think he was unpopular at the time. The wrong kind of press.
Again I worded my post poorly I wasn't judging him for anything, just giving my thoughts on why I think he became quite unpopular in those early years.
The same as my comments on him upsetting poor old frank, I wasn't expressing it as my opinion of him but how he might have been perceived. In fact that was how he was perceived on the forums I used at the time, as a judas that turned his back on those that gave him a break.
Ultimately as JRS says he was vindicated and those that doubted him went quiet.
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Ah, okay. Cheers for that.
You what? I've always been a Button fan, you just can't see past your 'Hamilton fanboy' label you keep trying to stick on me every time I refrain from jumping on the Hamilton bashing wagon.
I even called the Button move to McLaren well before anything was even rumoured because I thought he was more than capable of standing up to Hamilton, and got laughed at by the likes of you.
I've been a Button fan for as long as I can remember.BAR Forum sigs, Honda wallpapers, McLaren pictures on my wall, models on my shelf of Brawn and McLaren, all of them Button. So quite where you got this idea that I somehow created uproar at any suggestion that he was any good is rather baffling. Unless of course you are yet again trying to start a fight.
Seriously, give it a break, its boring!
In less deliberately argumentative news, just set my alarm for 5:45 so I can watch practice 2 before work. Anyone going to be joining me?
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A driver who is well past his use-by date Vs another driver who is at the absolute peak of his powers, having come off the back of of record breaking season...and you think the driver past his best will win....yeah right.
As I said, in his first career, MSc was by the far the most complete driver I have ever seen or heard of. His ability to score points was unparalleled. The statistics back this up. After Senna, he was the rain-meister.
However, in his 2nd career, if you haven't realised, the stats say that, year on year, he gets beaten by his team-mate.
The most important thing to do, when racing, is to beat your own team-mate. The bigger the margin you can do this by, the better it is for your own stock. [note: last year, Vettel beat his team-mate by the biggest points margin of any team-mate].
I fully expect Rosberg to finish ahead of MSc this year...again...UNLESS MSc can possibly work behind the scenes to force Merc to adapt the car to his liking...in otherwords, if MSc does the off-track work, Rosberg (if MSc wanted), could be finished at Merc; though, I'm not sure if MSc would actually do this.
People need to understand that the the MSc of 2012, is not the driver of 2002.
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Having read all the post so far.
Can someone list how many drivers have won the world championship driving an inferior car. Lets not mention the year when MSC broke his leg etc... although it was strange how eddie irvine was suddenly a lot more competetive when he had a full kitted out Ferrari, illegal driver aids and all!!!
Best Car wins generally, Drivers are on a fairly even level. in my opinion.
Can someone list how many drivers have won the world championship driving an inferior car. Lets not mention the year when MSC broke his leg etc... although it was strange how eddie irvine was suddenly a lot more competetive when he had a full kitted out Ferrari, illegal driver aids and all!!!
Best Car wins generally, Drivers are on a fairly even level. in my opinion.
when msc came back and had to drive slow to irvine could stay in front? didnt he have to let irvine past 3 times in one race? lol
anyway this thread might be of some interest to you
http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=114092
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