not really anything interesting will be shown on the inside f1 program or whatever its called later on anyway
Malaysia Grand Prix 2012, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/20
- Thread starter Duke
- Start date
not really anything interesting will be shown on the inside f1 program or whatever its called later on anyway
No problem after your reply when I re-read my own badly worded post I could see how it could easily be misinterpreted
I wish I could use the excuse that English isn't my first language
Considering I never posted in this forum until 2010/11 I seriously doubt I laughed at you for saying Jenson would be at McLaren, more made up fantasy to have a go, seems common for you Skeeter.
Japanese GP thread last year you defended Lewis against me saying Button was better than Lewis, here is a link since I don't just make things up like you do - http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=20269787&postcount=778 I could search further but you certainly took offence at me saying Jenson was better than Lewis.
But yeah let's give it a rest as you tend to just make things up as you go along to try and have a go.
Last edited:
It's good to see that barely 2 races in to a new season and already OcUK is maintaining it's form of being unable to discuss F1 without turning it into a slagging match. This isn't football guys. Try watching motorsport for the enjoyment, rather than giving ammunition to petty arguments of which almost entirely you are unqualified to actually argue about.
Soldato
- Joined
- 18 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 15,649
- Location
- The land of milk & beans
Vettels less than stellar start to the weekend has been made worse - he's been given a €400 fine for speeding in the pits during practice.
So to aid your argument that I apparently took massive offence to the suggestion that Button was a better driver than Lewis, you quote a post from me where I explain how Button is a better driver than Lewis
Lewis has (had, don't know where its gone for the moment) more raw skill than Button, but in every other area that is required to be a complete driver, Button is ahead.
Hamilton is a Racer, Button is a Driver.
Soldato
- Joined
- 18 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 15,649
- Location
- The land of milk & beans
I thought that same TBH. Usually pit speeding fines are a couple of grand aren't they?
seems to depend how fast your going
i found this one which seems to explain it
i guess vettel was 1.01-2km over the limit
So to aid your argument that I apparently took massive offence to the suggestion that Button was a better driver than Lewis, you quote a post from me where I explain how Button is a better driver than Lewis
If you follow it back, you said Vettel was ahead of Webber in the same car cause of skill, I agreed with that and also said it went in with my comment that Jenson is ahead because of skill and better than Lewis, you then said Lewis had more skill. But it's usual for you to say one thing about one team then completely different about another
...you then said Lewis had more skill. But it's usual for you to say one thing about one team then completely different about another
IMO Hamilton has more natural ability than Button. In terms of outright speed, Hamilton has "it". However, to compile a high points total over the course of a single season, there are many more qualities involved. Outright speed is just one skill in an skill-set.
As we are seeing, even though over a single lap, Hamilton is quicker, Button can still beat him in a championship (2011) or a single race (Aus 2012).
We must remember though, that Hamilton is in a slump and Hamilton's current performance might not be the best example. I've never seen a top line driver fall so quickly. Usually a dip in form lasts 3-4 races (this happens to Vettel every year, where Webber usually gets the better of him during this dip in form). A dip in form doesnt usually last for half or season or more.
IMO, the problem is that Hamilton needs to be the darling of the team. When he is not the darling of the team (which is becoming the case at McLaren), he loses performance.
Soldato
- Joined
- 15 Feb 2003
- Posts
- 10,140
- Location
- Europe
JA
So we're much more likely to see the true pace of each team. Though ultimately Barcelona is the best test of that.
So we're much more likely to see the true pace of each team. Though ultimately Barcelona is the best test of that.
This is possible.
But then it is strange that a driver should perform so well in 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011 (half season)....so, after 4.5 years, find his natural performance level.
If he had 1 single, wonder season and then "slumpted" to his natural performance level I would agree with you. But you don't find the natural performance level after 4.5years.
I believe the main problem is that Button is taking him apart. Hamilton needs to move to a team where he is the darling and the team is based purely around him. I wouldn't mind seeing him go to Renault, with an agreement that Renault will be involved up to their necks (ie. get rid of this Lotus nonsense and no half-hearted involvement from Renault), to make a full blown effort to produce a car which can win everything. I can't see any other team right now, where this will be possible.
I asked before and you didn't answer, please define natural ability and why you think he has more?
I'd like to know exactly how it's quantified that he has for instance more natural ability than Jenson. Infact how about you also list the top 6 in f1's natural ability so I know
