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Wow at Petrov. Giving precise tyre pressure information to his engineer
Malaysia Grand Prix 2012, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/20
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There is a gif going about of Vet giving the HRT the finger then trying to corner then giving the finger again, can't hotlink though
Coulthards comments on it are funny
A pale shadow of John Cleland and the legendary Murray Walker in 1992 :
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So based on two races we can automatically assume that HRT and Mercedes will end up with a very similar points total thereby making any of what you said valid? you REALLY want to make that particularly stupid argument, publically... really?
especially as, their qualifying performance has CLEARLY improved, and Schumi was hit by someone else while in a fairly strong position and bad positions in a wet race rarely leads to awesome performances. Especially as, though I could be wrong, didn't someone say they didn't actually use the double drs in Australia... probably because they didn't want to get points that could quite easily be taken off them? Maybe they did use it, I can think of reasons why not, waiting on clarification, waiting to see if anyone actually challenges it, waiting to use it till they can come up with a good way to "hide" it so when they explain it everyone else can't as easily copy it, who knows.
Anyway, while I'm far far too lazy to ever go back and quote old posts, I'm sure several other people will bookmark it and happily throw it in your face later in the season.
Let me guess, based on Williams points they also haven't improved at all right? Maldanado taking himself out in the second last lap isn't proof of anything is it.
Bear in mind MSc has had one DNF and a collision in the last two races.
He's also qualified 4th and 3rd and Rosberg has qualified 7th both times. This suggests that when they can take advantage of their innovation is has a marked benefit.
The poor race-pace mirrors how the car performed last year which is precisely when they can't take advantage of the front-DRS.
I think you're being a bit premature to gloat to be honest.
Not so sure about thrilling. If I had to choose one word to describe it, I thought Massa's defence looked desperate, more than anything.
A few of his moves weren't fair at all, deliberately running Button out of space who had to back out to avoid a crash on two or three occasions. He also quite blatantly breached the new rule about making one move and then not being allowed to move back to the racing line for braking.
Massa showed the same tendencies last year a number of times, of which India was the key one. He knew LH was coming up the inside, and yet chose to turn in anyway, causing a crash (arguably) deliberately. If he carries on driving "defensively" like this, he needs a good talking to especially after the penalty he received in India.
Yep, If It was Hamilton instead of Button with Massa in Malaysia I suspect they would have collided, because Hamilton would have been too stubborn to give in to the over the top defending by Massa
Can anyone fill me in on what was wrong with Sebs car at the end? Was I dreaming or did he keep having mixed messages about stoppping the car on the final lap. I only watched the BBC highlights so I'm not sure what happened at all!
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Pretty much sums it up
Well it was probably a serious issue, they thought about chancing it for a second since it was penultimate lap, but in the end they decided not to risk it.
Seems normal to me
I go along with this argument and add that we need to have a 'normal' race to really get an idea as to where they currently sit in the pack. Aus doesn't count due to the gearbox failure and we all know what happened in Malaysia.
I would say that their qualifying pace is certainly flattering their overall position in grand scheme of things however a podium is definitely not out of the question, especially if they can get a bit of luck.
With regards to the Vettel radio conversation, from what I saw on the F1 Forum, they spoke to Christian Horner and he said that the telemetry showed the rear brake was at the edge of it's operating spectrum (or words to that effect). I did laugh when I heard Rocky on the radio though, I thought he was going schizo
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Just watched Horner on the BBCs interview with him whilst they were talking about sebs puncture. What a nobber of the first degree.... "he is 7 seconds slower, he should use his mirrors" What a mans piece!
Yet Jenson had no problem with it
says a lot more than someone sitting on the sofa to me, if Massa broke the rules then you can bet there would be a complaint, there wasn't. What Massa done is bread and butter in nearly every racing series, Jenson would do just the same in reverse.I am glad F1 is not totally dumbed down and they are still allowed to race, if some fans on here had their way then they would all run on track in single file, no racing allowed, oh no someone defended too much LOL.
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Was on Sky think it was Brundle saying it after the race.
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It's not really going to happen, assuming they are using it, then its helping in qualifying with new tyres, Merc's problems all last year was tyres, they were the first of all the top runners to have tyre troubles, the hit "the cliff" harder than anyone else did. Think Hamilton being held up lap after lap, then all of a sudden both of the Mclarens literally breeze past him like he isn't there, then he's forced to pit basically straight away. The few times they stay out they are embarrassingly slow.
Mercedes problem isn't that their f-duct isn't an advantage, its that their limiting race pace is still completely determined by the worst tyre wear on the grid.
There probably are worse cars, they are just the worst of the top lot but with a really pretty fast car underneath the tyre issues, so well ahead of the pack, behind the top 6 cars all last year. They might nick a race or two this year in odd conditions where they can pit more times than normal with no penalty(lucky safety car timing/wet races--where someone doesn't smack them to the back of the pack, etc), but as it stands they are just such cannon fodder at the end of a tyre stint.
What race was it last year Schumi was excellent in 2nd/3rd for ages, great actual pace till the tyres went again before everyone elses and he lost a couple crucial places in the dying laps.
If they can sort that out then the f-duct might make a huge difference for them, while they haven't, they'll still be "best of the rest" and not shooting for podiums consistently.
That "bit of luck" being a McLaren and Redbull retirement as these teams clearly have similar/ better quali pace and much better race pace. Even MW is keeping up with Seb in the races so without significant abnormal races I cant see Merc getting on the podium currently (of course with 3 weeks until the next race they will have upgrades, let alone later in the season)
This doesnt even include one of two or three mid field teams leapfrogging Merc on absolute pace either (as it were "on their day"). Merc are great in quali, thanks to the new system, but as it makes little difference in the race Im not entirely sure how much it helps as they go slowly backwards on Sundays
I think we all like to see good wheel-to-wheel racing and no one is calling for a dumbing down of F1 LOL. Stop putting words into people's mouths.
The issue isn't with the principle of defending a corner, the issue is with the attitude that "I would rather take us both out of the race than continue the battle into the next corner" that annoys people.
The problem arises when the person doing the defending and the person doing the attacking are both as arrogant/pig-headed/determined as the other because neither of them concede and they crash.
On any given race day there are countless instances of clean wheel-to-wheel battles around corners and yet somehow last year the ones that went wrong seemed to invariably involve Massa and usually, but not exclusively, Hamilton.
I agree that last year the stewards were a bit over-zealous with inquiries for the slightest of contact and it's good that this year (so far) they seem to be putting more down as racing incidents. However, there are some instances that do justify adjudication.