Malaysian GP 2009 - Race 2/17
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Planet F1 is the sun's version of F1 journalism. They are all football fans that have to make a F1 site as well.
I see your planet article and raise you one by Mike Lawrence. A decent F1 fan with a lifetime of love for the sport.....
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_feature_item.php?fes_art_id=37533
Lawrence is a man whose hugely connected in f1, his suggestions on Dave Ryan are extremely interesting. Getting rid of Ryan and now he doesn't have to attend the hearing. He then isn't available to make suggestions on who exactly issued the lie. Pretty much like me his article makes a mockery of misled.
I agree with his punishment suggested. 2 race points ban but free to race, same for the team, yet Heiki's points count to his own drivers score.
Soldato
The point the PF1 was making is, and that I agree with really, is... why does the FIA care who is responsible? Why do they seem to want to pin this on Whitmarsh (which yes we probably all know it was his call and not Dave Ryan's!). They should forget all this silly witch hunting and just slap a fine on McLaren, as a team, and move on.
PS: I like the Pitpass article as well
PS: I like the Pitpass article as well
Yes a fair point but in the interests of consistency I'd like to see a 2 race ban like hondas rather than a fine. I see what your saying though there doesn't need to be a witch hunt just the fine/ban. There is no need for a hearing really.
Soldato
The hearing should be just about the exact punishment itself. None of this witch hunt stuff about who within McLaren was responsible.
That is completely none of the FIA's business quite frankly. That is McLaren's business which they may or may not choose to deal with themselves.
Although the sacking of Dave Ryan strikes me as a PR move there may be further head rolls at some point in the future once the dust has settled.
That is completely none of the FIA's business quite frankly. That is McLaren's business which they may or may not choose to deal with themselves.
Although the sacking of Dave Ryan strikes me as a PR move there may be further head rolls at some point in the future once the dust has settled.
Yeah I see what your saying, totally agree. They don't need to hear anymore evidence from mclaren, just give them a penalty and move on.
Its shows how bad things have gotten at mclaren when a team player of 35 years gets the push for a lie, yet good old pedro is still there are being one of the main parties in the email saga.
I'd love to know what pedro knows
I reckon he has pictures of Ron and Hamilton.
Its shows how bad things have gotten at mclaren when a team player of 35 years gets the push for a lie, yet good old pedro is still there are being one of the main parties in the email saga.
I'd love to know what pedro knows
I reckon he has pictures of Ron and Hamilton.
Was just reading a thread on pitpass, regarding diffusers....
A poster said this...
"Pitpass has already pointed out (and our Editor in several of our threads) that IF the diffusers are banned, points will not be deducted retrospectively.
The term "illegal" will only apply if the court of appeal decides they are banned and teams continue to use them."
Barfe then replies with....
"Sadly, we have been advised today that the results would not stand... which makes it vital that sanity prevails in this matter"
http://www.pitpass.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7394
Interesting.
A poster said this...
"Pitpass has already pointed out (and our Editor in several of our threads) that IF the diffusers are banned, points will not be deducted retrospectively.
The term "illegal" will only apply if the court of appeal decides they are banned and teams continue to use them."
Barfe then replies with....
"Sadly, we have been advised today that the results would not stand... which makes it vital that sanity prevails in this matter"
http://www.pitpass.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7394
Interesting.
Soldato
Montoya is fantasic, love this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heCsKujaxs4
"There's a deer on the circuite"
"Oh dear"
"Yeah, it's like a horse with horns"
"I know...oh dear, hahaha"
Shame he's gone
he was overrated, glad he`s in nascar
Soldato
That's right. If the current rules as they are written do actually exclude the diffuser, then the points will be taken away. If the rule has to be re-written to ban it, then they won't lose their points but those three teams will have to redesign their cars. If the rule stands, and the diffuser is cleared, then the rest of the grid will go into overdrive trying to rework their cars to close the gap to Brawn et al.
Hopefully sanity will prevail and the diffuser will be ruled legal. Not going to put money on it though.
Soldato
Yeah I see what your saying, totally agree. They don't need to hear anymore evidence from mclaren, just give them a penalty and move on.
Its shows how bad things have gotten at mclaren when a team player of 35 years gets the push for a lie, yet good old pedro is still there are being one of the main parties in the email saga.
I'd love to know what pedro knows
I reckon he has pictures of Ron and Hamilton.
The situation was made worse 100x by Whitmarsh. He was playing games with the media trying to make McLaren seem whiter than white. The FIA didn't like that so each time Whitmarsh made a statement the FIA would release a small snippet of evidence to counteract what he just said like 1 or 2 hours beforehand. It was remarkable watching the events unfold in that week
McLaren should have realised they were guilty immediately and kept their mouth shut entirely. All they needed to say to get rid of the press was "it is team policy not to discuss penalties or stewards decisions with the media". AFAIK this is the line that Ferrari have used ever since Brawn instilled it into them
That way all this evidence releasing and what not would probably have never escalated to where it has now. All the discussion and the vast majority of the embarrasment would have been behind closed doors at the hearing, not within the public domain.
The situation was made worse 100x by Whitmarsh. He was playing games with the media trying to make McLaren seem whiter than white. The FIA didn't like that so each time Whitmarsh made a statement the FIA would release a small snippet of evidence to counteract what he just said like 1 or 2 hours beforehand. It was remarkable watching the events unfold in that week
McLaren should have realised they were guilty immediately and kept their mouth shut entirely. All they needed to say to get rid of the press was "it is team policy not to discuss penalties or stewards decisions with the media". AFAIK this is the line that Ferrari have used ever since Brawn instilled it into them
That way all this evidence releasing and what not would probably have never escalated to where it has now. All the discussion and the vast majority of the embarrasment would have been behind closed doors at the hearing, not within the public domain.
Reminds me of Spygate, where McLaren would say one thing, then a few hours later we would get some information from somewhere else that basically said the exact opposite.
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Soldato
If Brawn and co lose there points I think there will be outrage. Please let common sense come forward and they either define the rule clearly like Brawn asked last year, or just make them 100% legal.
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lose... not loose
Sorry, pet hate!
I will be amazed if the race results are changed at all in regards to diffusers. The other teams will just have to catch up!!
Sorry, pet hate!
I will be amazed if the race results are changed at all in regards to diffusers. The other teams will just have to catch up!!
I didn't like Montoya much as a person but as a driver he was certainly not over rated. He was unfortunate that he went to williams a little too late and mclaren only hired him so no-one else had him. He was clearly hired to be a no2 to Kimi. Ron went on the attack at montoya as soon as he signed him.
Like Villenueve when he was in F1 there was no one better at race craft after having decent schooling in actual overtaking without killing another driver in cart.
Zinardi too was a great advert in how much a great car is needed in f1. I've seen some races from him in cart that I've simply never seen the like of in F1.
The whole politics of F1 and paddock snobbery got montoya down. Frankly I don't blame him, I just wish he'd gone back to indy.
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I'm a football fan who likes F1, in fact I sit rather near a certain Bernie Ecclestone and Flavio Briatore who are both football fans who like F1. Why the ignorant stereotype? What is the relevance of Planet F1 being run by football fans (if indeed it is)?
You have missunderstood me or I haven't been clear enough, probably the latter.
Your a football fan that likes F1, they are football fans that have no interest in F1. They all sit in the same office having to make an F1 site. Thats why it reads like a copy of the sun. They search out other news from sites such as this....
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Formula+One
Quite a few of those that run/ran planet used to talk with us on JV-world, another site they used to make. All the effort goes into football365 as thats what the main interest is.
Ask Chris Balfe who runs pitpass yourself. He left because as someone interested in F1 they wouldn't let him write his own opinions only regurgitate news items.
I have a similar feeling (although as Stewards have deemed the design legal - twice - I cant see how the FIA can. Not that its stopped them before)
The other thing "for" the Brawn / Toyota etc camp is that Brawn himself pointed out the possibility of these designs 12 months ago, and no one listened.
The other interesting thing is that if the FIA do renege on the legality - what happens regarding the Chinese GP? Do Brawn and Toyota even bother turning up knowing that any points won wont count. They cant possibly fabricate a standard design and fit it on two cars (and Im guessing have crash tests) before Barcelone really
At least if its deamed legal - everyone can race and potentially get points (after all if McLaren can actually end races 3rd /4th legally - before being stupid afterwards) - most teams should be able to score points even without diffusers
Im hoping for worst case scenario that triple diffuser is deamed illegal straight away (after all didnt Toyota race the double diffuser in Aus, and only go to triple for Malaysia?) - but double diffuser teams are allowed to continue racing as is until the circus gets to Barcelona
I guess we will know in around 24 hours or so