Malaysian GP 2009 - Race 2/17

orderoftheflame said:
I think you're thinking of Sutil maybe?

I seem to remember Kubica saying in an interview last year (maybe 07?) that he didn't approve of Hamiltons driving style, particularly overtaking.
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He did say that, but I was under the impression too that they were competitive chums from the karting days. But he definitely jumped on the "dangerous driving style" bandwagon.
 
Dutch Guy said:
I guess Lewis has a reputation of driving agrresively and arrogant and pushing people out of the way onto the grass and other drivers don't like it that someone else is faster :confused:
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If you look at all the recent world champs you will see that they all have this trate(well maybe not kimi but he isnt the driver he once was). Alonso and Shumie are far worse than lewis for agressive driving. You dont win WDC by being a nice guy on the track.
Alonso vs Hamilton at spa 2007

We gotta remember guys a lot of these "facts" we get are from over hyped media outlets that want a good story, not report the truth
 
You dont win the championship by being a nice guy :)

Button will do something later this season, and I bet everyone will jump on the Dangerous driving bandwagon again if he is romping away with the title.
 
JUMPURS said:
He whooped Alonso's behind? Well considering they finished on the exact same amount of points ...
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Fair comment, the rookie Hamilton just beat the two times World Champion then ;)


JUMPURS said:
... Alonso didn't have anyone in his team talking to him for the last 6 rounds (to such an extreme he used to go to the Renault Motorhome), i think Alonso done a great job.
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I think that this was more two times World Champion and Naomi Campbell standard Prima Donna Alonso's fault than Hamilton's, don't you? Didn't Alonso effectively try to blackmail McLaren and cost them an absolute fortune and the manufacturer's title?

And anyhooo, given the choice, wouldn't you choose to spend your time in a French motorhome rather than one run by McLaren - well, wouldn't you? :D
 
schumi84 said:
I'm with you sir. Absolute shambles at the weekend, hope things improve in China (will no doubt be staying up to watch it :))

Did laugh when Kimi was there in his shorts eating an icecream :D.
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Been thinking about the Ferrari situation. All they need to do is a bolt on a new diffusser. Take one from a 430 Scuderia. Should do the trick :p

Also, they need to tell Kimi, hes doesn't get his post race lolly unless he finishes in the top 8 :D

I really hope he can get his head together. Surely being no. 2 at Ferrari cant affect him that much.

Regards, the F1 spending. I didn't realise Toyota were top of the chart. I guess this season, its paying off for them.
 
stockhausen said:
I have to say, I think that the most distasteful part of this whole sorry saga is the sacking of Dave Ryan who has worked for McLaren for more than 30 years - http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=45520 - shame on McLaren and F1 in general.

If there was any honour in F1 (which I know there isn't), Whitmarsh and Hamilton should go as well.

:mad:
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Why Hamilton? Because your bandwagon says so?
 
It is sad to see Dave Ryan go after all those years but he was the one who told Hamilton to 'lie' to the stewards about the whole Trulli affair. He took responsibility and rightly so. McLaren suspended him first didn't they but then he walked?

Hamilton like any other driver on the grid, does what the team says. Any other driver in the same situation would have do the same. Hamilton shouldn't be sacked / removed from the McLaren team.

This is coming from Hamilton's least favourite fan too :p
 
Bennah said:
It is sad to see Dave Ryan go after all those years but he was the one who told Hamilton to 'lie' to the stewards about the whole Trulli affair. He took responsibility and rightly so. McLaren suspended him first didn't they but then he walked?

Hamilton like any other driver on the grid, does what the team says. Any other driver in the same situation would have do the same. Hamilton shouldn't be sacked / removed from the McLaren team.

This is coming from Hamilton's least favourite fan too :p
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No, he shouldnt be sacked or removed, but he should be putting himself on the market. I belive Hamiltons 'life long commitment to McLaren' was actually to Ron Dennis, and seen as he is no longer there, Im sure hes seriously considering a move, even if it is just for his own reputation rather than for a better car. Being tarnished and dragged down by the combination of McLarens mess ups and the FIAs persistence to make an example of them cannot be good for anyone.
 
Bennah said:
It is sad to see Dave Ryan go after all those years but he was the one who told Hamilton to 'lie' to the stewards about the whole Trulli affair. He took responsibility and rightly so. McLaren suspended him first didn't they but then he walked?

Hamilton like any other driver on the grid, does what the team says.
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Allegedly . . .

Stories about hot-air balloons descending over the Serengeti come to mind . . . who to throw to the Lions, the old bloke who has passed his 'sell by' date or the young 'un who could save our bacon.


. . . and this is coming from a Hamilton fan too ;)
 
stockhausen said:
Didn't Alonso effectively try to blackmail McLaren and cost them an absolute fortune and the manufacturer's title?
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You make it sound as if Alonso drew up secret paperwork and sent this covertly, to Ron Denis stating that if he didnt give him No.1 status, he would send the paperwork to the FIA. This did not happen.

What actually happened, ws that in the heat of the moment Alonso said that he would tell the FIA about the emails, regarding Ferrari data, while they he was walking back to his motor home, after qualifying. Alonso was vexxed at Hamilton's antics in that qualifying session. All the people concerned at the time (Denis, Alonso, Hamilton - who was f'ing at Denis) were totally fired up. Alonso had just got pole position.

Alonso did not instigate any plan to blackmail McLaren or anyone, it was said in a fit of anger. It would be similar to if you and your manager end up having a heated conversation and in the heat of the moment you say, "Ahhh, I feel like quitting!" Until you have clearly stated your intention, in at least a calm way (verbally or in writing), I wouldnt take any threat seriously.

For me, that Hungarian qualifying fiasco was instigated by Hamilton (he disobeyed team orders). This pushed Alonso over the edge.

Too many Alonso haters on this forum.
 
stockhausen said:
Fair comment, the rookie Hamilton just beat the two times World Champion then ;)
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...by finishing on equal points with Alonso, after he had the full backing of McLaren, while Alonso little backing?

Sorry man but I think both drivers, in the situations (Alonso - he was isolated from the team in the later part of the season, Hamilton - it was his first season and was up against the World Champion), did equally well and neither did better than the other.
 
sunama said:
Rya must've got a handsome payout from it. He took 'it' for the team and he fully deserves to be compensated for it.
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yea and im sure the team principal had no idea what was going on in all honestly he wasnt aware of the situation at all and he also wouldnt have been listening to the radio communication between his drivers and the team.

yea right... he would have been fully aware of the situation and how it was going to be presented to the stewards.

i guess its better to throw someone else to the lions though
 
sunama said:
Rya must've got a handsome payout from it. He took 'it' for the team and he fully deserves to be compensated for it.
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35 years of service and shamelessly for one point decided to take matters in his own hands. I for one have no respect for him and hope he didnt get compensated at all. He has single handedly (alledgedly) destroyed Mclaren and more importantly LH!
 
Type_R said:
He has single handedly (alledgedly) destroyed Mclaren and more importantly LH!
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This assumes that it was all entirely of his own doing. I do not subscribe to that theory.

First Ron Denis says that he knew nothing of what his employees were doing with regards to Ferrari data and now Whitmarsh claims to not know what was being said to the Stewards.

Either McLaren bosses are extraordinarly naive and stupid or they know exactly what is going but prefer their sub-ordinates to take the flak.

Personally though, I feel that McLaren need to brush up on their rules (perhaps employ 5 people who do nothing but go through the rules and understand them. Call them the 'rule team'.). In the event of something happening on the track that drivers or engineers are not sure of they can simply ask their 'rule team', who can give them a quick answer.

The problem seems to be that whenever McLaren start asking Charlie Whiting questions regarding legal on-track moves, McLaren end up getting shafted. This happened in Australia and also at Spa, last year.
 
FrankJH said:
corrected for accuracy

face it you dont actually know - and after what Alonso said about the Aussie incident recently, its more likely that Alonso is as spiteful as stated above
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So you honestly believe that Alonso would shop his own team and risk his own chances of winning the title (should the McLaren team get banned), bearing in mind that he was 2nd in the championship at the time of the Hungarian incident.

Thats like me reporting my employers for illegal accountancy practises, at which point the company closes down and I lose my job.

Use your head.
 
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