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Malaysian Grand Prix 2011, Sepang International Circuit - Race 2/19
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People on this forum seem adamant that Vettel isn't in the same league Alonso or Hamilton.
Sure Hamilton and Alonso have better overtaking skills, but the rest is all there. Vettel would have run away with the championship last year had it not been for mechanical failures. People also need to remember how old he is and that he is the youngest WDC ever. He even has a good sense of humour, or do people just dislike him because he celebrates using his index finger?..
Sure Hamilton and Alonso have better overtaking skills, but the rest is all there. Vettel would have run away with the championship last year had it not been for mechanical failures. People also need to remember how old he is and that he is the youngest WDC ever. He even has a good sense of humour, or do people just dislike him because he celebrates using his index finger?..
The car is a embarrassment of riches, quick enough to get him pole over a has been in the sister car and job done unless he has to overtake in which case get the brooms ready.
And while I agree alonso hasn't been great the past couple of years he definitely showed great pace in his early years that cant have simply disappeared all together.
That, together with the slagging off of Webber blaming the turkey incident on him by twirling his finger indicating Webber is crazy, I just think he is an annoying ****.
It's got nothing to do with his talent which is abviously there as he is WC
As for Horner talking about his front wing, what a load of ********, it doesn't explain why the wing ends move down/flex much more than others, it's got nothing to do with rake or ride height at all.
That's the spirit
Vettel is a top tier driver. When he is time trialling or qualifying (ie. no traffic, no racing), he is as good as they come.
Alonso is arguably the most complete driver currently in F1. You may not like him, but you have to see past the personal dislike. He is the driver who is capable of outperforming his team-mate by the biggest margin.
Have a read: http://www.crash.net/f1/news/161849/1/drivers_driver_result_may_surprise.html
Oh and this: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article5986660.ece
In his prime, MSc was great, but in his second career, he is struggling to beat even Rosberg (let alone Hamilton, Alonso, etc)
Alonso is highly rated by pretty much everybody.
I disagree.
Last year, in the 2nd half of the season, Alonso was fantastic. The first half of the season was poor and I questioned whether his reputation of being the best driver in F1 was valid. After seeing what he did in the 2nd half of the season...my faith was restored.
The best way to judge a driver is how he performs against his team-mate. Alonso was easily the best of the top drivers (compared to a team-mate).
Should be treated the same as everything else that spills out of his mouth, BS.
ground effect isnt a solution to anything and the fia will never allow proper ground effect anyway because its suicide if a car goes over a bump or bottoms out and every bit of ground effect is lost for enough time to send the car flying off the track
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He's damn right though, people just need to shut up and get on with it.
How long do we have to hear all the girls whinging about how life isn't fair because Red Bull's front wing looks flexy?
Less crying, more effort.
Too right, the broken record of crying team personnel and fans was tiring last year, the fact it's still going on is a joke.
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Some odd failures this morning, both Virgin and Renault almost ripping their wheels off under braking, must have come as a bit of a shock to the two drivers.
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In my opinion the ability to pass the tests does not necessarily make it legal. Regardless, the FIA have basically given all other teams the go ahead to do the same - now they just need to work out how.
The wheel failures this morning were quite strange.
But surely that is the mere definition of what is legal and what isn't?
If the FIA test your car and tell you the car is legal, it is legal.
If the FIA test your car and tell you the car is illegal, then is illegal.
I believe, it really is as simple as that.
I think Horner said it best when he said that tests are made by the FIA, not by McLaren or anybody else. Only the FIA have any authority to declare whether or not a car is legal.
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I'm actually amazed.
It passes all the tests, etc. Even further testing designed to prove how illegal it is.
Still... In my mind, it's definitely still illegal.
Is this just an F1 thing?
Anyone else would let it go.
It passes all the tests, etc. Even further testing designed to prove how illegal it is.
Still... In my mind, it's definitely still illegal.
Is this just an F1 thing?
Anyone else would let it go.
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YEp and both wings seemed to flex as much.
Free practice results below
Free Practice 1
Free Practice 2
Free Practice 1
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[b]Pos Driver Team Time Laps[/b]
1. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m37.651s 22
2. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m39.316s + 1.665 16
3. Schumacher Mercedes 1m39.791s + 2.140 29
4. Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m40.377s + 2.726 23
5. Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1m40.443s + 2.792 31
6. Massa Ferrari 1m40.453s + 2.802 22
7. Heidfeld Renault 1m40.525s + 2.874 6
8. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1m40.581s + 2.930 21
9. Alonso Ferrari 1m40.601s + 2.950 23
10. Rosberg Mercedes 1m40.646s + 2.995 29
11. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1m40.734s + 3.083 21
12. Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m40.748s + 3.097 23
13. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m40.770s + 3.119 24
14. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m40.872s + 3.221 27
15. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m40.927s + 3.276 16
16. Trulli Lotus-Renault 1m41.620s + 3.969 21
17. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m41.627s + 3.976 18
18. Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m41.642s + 3.991 24
19. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1m42.154s + 4.503 18
20. d'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1m42.540s + 4.889 20
21. Valsecchi Lotus-Renault 1m44.054s + 6.403 18
22. Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 1m45.228s + 7.577 20
23. Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m46.267s + 8.616 10
24. Petrov Renault 1m47.932s + 10.281 4Free Practice 2
Code:
[b]Pos Driver Team Time Laps[/b]
1. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m36.876s 24
2. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m36.881s + 0.005 30
3. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m37.010s + 0.134 23
4. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m37.090s + 0.214 30
5. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m38.088s + 1.212 26
6. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m38.089s + 1.213 31
7. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m38.565s + 1.689 25
8. Nick Heidfeld Renault 1m38.570s + 1.694 16
9. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m38.583s + 1.707 27
10. Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m38.846s + 1.970 31
11. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1m38.968s + 2.092 25
12. Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1m39.187s + 2.311 30
13. Vitaly Petrov Renault 1m39.267s + 2.391 17
14. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m39.398s + 2.522 29
15. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m39.603s + 2.727 34
16. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m39.625s + 2.749 31
17. Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1m39.809s + 2.933 28
18. Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m40.115s + 3.239 31
19. Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1m40.866s + 3.990 24
20. Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 1m41.890s + 5.014 19
21. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m43.197s + 6.321 15
22. Tonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 1m43.991s + 7.115 14
23. Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1m44.886s + 8.010 4